Surf Cat Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 by this staement, you agree that there are "takers" as you call them. Exactly what number of "takers" is an acceptable number to you? For me personally, one "taker" is one too many. what's your solution to eradicating the one taker ? Who determines who is simply abusing the system, from those who are truly in desparate straits ? "I was a waste of time dumbasses." -- sevenxseventy01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zybathegeek Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 what's your solution to eradicating the one taker ? Who determines who is simply abusing the system, from those who are truly in desparate straits ? Check their key ring and the model of their phone. Politicians and diapers should be changed often and regularly, invariably for the same reason. ______________________________________________________________ "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Attributed to Abraham Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_M Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 There is no doubt that republicans could possibly steal some votes from the democrats if they just started acting more like democrats. But this country already has one Democratic Party and it's folly for republicans to think they can out-democrat the democrats. They do the same thing, but one thing corporations don't do is vote so it hasn't worked out for them as a party. See you on the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Cat Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 They do the same thing, but one thing corporations don't do is vote so it hasn't worked out for them as a party. Corporations might not vote, but they send lobbyists and scads of money to ensure they have a "voice". "I was a waste of time dumbasses." -- sevenxseventy01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finster Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 what's your solution to eradicating the one taker ? Who determines who is simply abusing the system, from those who are truly in desparate straits ? Remove their incentive to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Cat Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Remove their incentive to take. Meaning what precisely? "I was a waste of time dumbasses." -- sevenxseventy01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finster Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Meaning...reduce benefits to a level where the takers would be better off finding a way to support themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zybathegeek Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Meaning...reduce benefits to a level where the takers would be better off finding a way to support themselves. As in subsistence, not assistance. Politicians and diapers should be changed often and regularly, invariably for the same reason. ______________________________________________________________ "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Attributed to Abraham Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Flat Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 what's your solution to eradicating the one taker ? Who determines who is simply abusing the system, from those who are truly in desparate straits ? This is a great question!! When you get right down to it, probably the heart of the matter here. I would say even the rightest of Repubs would agree that in some cases people do need some help and deserve it. I know many people that work a summer job where I live that runs from end of April through end of October. They take unemployment for the other 5 months of the year. I have a big problem with that. They could easily go out and get some work, not amazing work, but work that would allow them to still maintain there current lifestyle. "I would rather be on the water and catching nothing than at home and catching nothing" - ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanratty Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Unfortunately, I think that things are broken to a point where fixing it will create an environment that no one has the political will to see through. When i lived in NYC I was heavily engaged in the big brothers program in East Harlem. Did it for 8 years or so and made some great friends in that neighborhood. It is a, largely, really cool community to interact with, great people who supported each other and were very, very warm. However, when you look at the systemic abuse of the public welfare system in the projects our kids lived in, it is completely shocking. There is plenty of blame to go around. The people who administer these programs would actively assist those seeking benefits on how to maximize their take. There was very little emphasis on education within the community nor much encouragement to progress out of the situation. There is no shame whatsoever in being a recipient of these benefits. It was really sad to see and to think that there was being created a generational reliance on public assistance. I am not saying that there were exceptions to this, but it was far more the rule than the exception. It isnt going to change unless the spigot is cut off or severely restricted (which will quickly serve to limit the number of new immigrants looking to get on the gravy train) or there is a 180 on the way the community values education and economic progress. There is just not enough discomfort to fundamentally change the way a large portion of the community choose to live their lives. This is not meant to be a dump on the inner city, I am sure this is largely the case among the rural poor. I think that we have passed the point where the elected officials are willing to materially change the benefits and the community can change the way it develops future generations - which is really the main factor in any fundamental change to the economic future of their community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zybathegeek Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 There is plenty of blame to go around. The people who administer these programs would actively assist those seeking benefits on how to maximize their take. There was very little emphasis on education within the community nor much encouragement to progress out of the situation. There is no shame whatsoever in being a recipient of these benefits. It was really sad to see and to think that there was being created a generational reliance on public assistance. I am not saying that there were exceptions to this, but it was far more the rule than the exception. Rangel was re-elected, that says it all. Forty five years of State and Federal representation of his constituents, and they are still as worse off as they were in 1967 when he started. Rangel is one of the prime reasons why term limits are a must. Politicians and diapers should be changed often and regularly, invariably for the same reason. ______________________________________________________________ "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Attributed to Abraham Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyGrowler Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 in some cases people do need some help and deserve it. That's why we have charity. Some where along the way Charity became a bad word and Welfare became a mandate. Cloward-Piven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finster Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 This is a great question!! When you get right down to it, probably the heart of the matter here. I would say even the rightest of Repubs would agree that in some cases people do need some help and deserve it. I know many people that work a summer job where I live that runs from end of April through end of October. They take unemployment for the other 5 months of the year. I have a big problem with that. They could easily go out and get some work, not amazing work, but work that would allow them to still maintain there current lifestyle. Of course they could. But there is no incentive to do so, when they can just sit home and collect unemployment. Especially when unemployment probably pays more than any part time job they might find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Quote: Originally Posted by Finster . Just didn't think it was possible no matter the issue. despite the reputation I have as disagreeing just to disagree, I try to be honest with my positions. this is an issue that's nuts to me, sending $$$ to rebuild on a spot that we know will require rebuilding AGAIN in the not too distant future. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 "I asked my daughter to send Barron Trump a link to this thread. Wouldn’t it be funny if Trump sued FnM for slander". Wayne Tj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcurtiss Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 This is a great question!! When you get right down to it, probably the heart of the matter here. I would say even the rightest of Repubs would agree that in some cases people do need some help and deserve it. I know many people that work a summer job where I live that runs from end of April through end of October. They take unemployment for the other 5 months of the year. I have a big problem with that. They could easily go out and get some work, not amazing work, but work that would allow them to still maintain there current lifestyle. states are cracking down on that now, I've read "I'm not talkin' 'bout pleasure boatin'. I'm not talkin' 'bout day sailin'. I'm talkin' 'bout workin' for a livin'. I'm talkin' 'bout shahkin'!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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