NERBs Test Casting Results

[Billy 40]

Thanks to Roy Carey for sending me the spreadsheet which I sent out back in 04. I have the Data in front of me, adn now I know why I did not make the results public, they are VERY confusing.

 

We had 4 casters, Sudsy, Oznavad, Derf, and someone else, I apologize for not remembering who. Each caster threw 8-10 casts with each rod, and in the spreadsheet I have the AVERAGE of all of these casts. We had 2 casters casting at a time, using the same reel/line on each set up. We DID run into problems with line fraying towards teh end, btu each person who was in attendance was in agreement that did not skew the results very much except in one case (COncept with Braid).

 

I'm not putting this up here for advice on how to do this test better, waht I should/shouldn't've done, or that teh results are BS. If that's goign to be the basis for your post, go eff yourself and conduct these tests yourself. WE did the best we could and felt teh results were valid for the type of rod we we using.

[EBHarvey]

does the spreadsheet have ALL the cast distances in it? If so, please email me a copy

[Billy 40]

What we tested: Rainshadow 1087 or 1088 (I can't remember) for the following set ups:

 

COnventional rod, reel with braid (2 different reels, results didn't vary much)

Spiral wrapped rod, reel with braid same as above.

 

Only 2 guys casted, Oznavad and Sudsy. It was very difficult to get a consitant cast as thumb & wind played a factor, but they did an exellent job. Looking at the data and remembering the day, Sudsy had problems castign th Spiral wrap with the second reel he used.

 

Oz results:

Conv reel 1 = 223.25'

Conv reel 2 = 213'

Spiral reel 1 = 213.5

Spiral reel 2 = 218.25

 

Sudsy results:

Conv reel 1 = 212.6'

Conv reel 2 = 220.75'

Spiral reel 1 = 215.25

Spiral reel 2 = 200.75 **

 

Total average - Conventional = 217.4, Spiral =211.94 which was slightly skewed by the ** number.

 

As you can see the results are not consistant, Phil casted reel 1 futher than 2 for teh conventional, adn Sudsy casted 2 further than 1. Then the results were backwards for the spiral? lol. Adn no, we did not get teh reels mixed up, we were very careful to keep track of everything.

 

The general feelign was they both casted about teh same (obviously), but the SPiral had more noise. Sudsy was teh one who brought this up. Most of the guys there were suprised th results were as close as tehy were for these 2 rods, tehy expected teh straight set up to far outcast teh spiral, which was not the case.

[Billy 40]

HEre is where it gets messy, the SPinning rod test. WE again used te same reel and line, and while we did have some issues towards teh end, we all felt teh results were close enough to accurate to accept teh data.

 

I'm goign to post this data 2 times, teh first time so you can see teh distances for each caster for each type of rod cast. Then I will post by caster, so you can see teh differences between each rod for an individual caster, which imo allows you to see teh differences much better.

 

Low Rider Concept with a size 25 stripper, aka the Dual Purpose rod. We only casted this with MOno, didn't bother using braid.

Caster 1 = 234.66

Caster 2 = 222.33

Caster 3 = 228.33

 

COncept Style with braid, I believe we used Y frame guides

Caster 1 = 217

Caster 2 = 157 **

Caster 4 = 205.33

 

Concept with MOno

Caster 2 = 202.75

Caster 4 = 207.66

 

hi Frame with braid - BHVLG's were used, I think starting with a size 30?

CAster 1 = 221.35

Caster 2 = 191.75

Caster 4 = 211.33

 

Traditional Spin Mono - Size 50 40 30, etc. We did not have everyone cast this rod, as many felt that this type of a set up on a 9' rod is not correct.

Caster 2 = 198.4

Caster 4 = 215

[Mike Oliver]

Billy don't get soo defensive. If you dish it you have to receive it from time to time. LOL

 

Mikey.O

[Billy 40]

Data by Caster

 

Caster 1

Dual = 234.66

COncept braid = 217

hi Frame braid = 221.35

 

Caster 2

Dual = 222.3

Concept BRaid = 157.5**

COncept Mono = 202.75

Hi Frame BRaid = 191.75

Traditional Mono = 198.4

 

Caster 3

Dual = 228.33

 

Caster 4

Concept Braid = 205.33

Concept Mono = 207.66

Hi frame braid = 211.33

Traditional = 215

 

** - caster had difficulty at first adjusting to castign a shorter rod. He was used to 13' tournament casting rods and did have some trouble throughout his casting session.

[Billy 40]

Averages for all casters

 

Dual purpose = 228.44

Concept both braid & mono combined = 201.21

hi frame braid = 208.14

Traditonal Spin = 206.7

 

IMo, these averages are no good as each of the test casters did not cast each of the rods. What I would accpet as an accurate use of data is teh prior post sorted by caster. Here you can see which rod casted better for an individual, which is what counts.

[Billy 40]

If you dish it you have to receive it from time to time.

 

 

I'm not taking anythign on this. eff that. Take this any way anyoen wants, there are goign to be a LOT of "I's", but dont' get me wrong, without EVERYONE who put there time and effort into this it wouldn't have been put togehter. HAving said that....

 

I just spent over 30 minutes putting this together, AGAIN. I spent countless hours coordinating this way back when we did it, and believe me it was REALLY hard to come up with a blan choice, set ups, who's wrapping what, oh we have to ship a blank to MAssachusettes, adn who has to come to SI to pick up a blank to get wrapped by someone in NJ and in LI. I also wrapped the spiral wrapped rod for this. I got togehter a food list, put the auctions up, found somone to donate the money to, scurried around in that ***** weather sweating my ass off recording data...whne I really wanted to be standing on the side talking with my friend who came down frm MAssachusettes & teh other guy from New Hampshire.

 

And I dont' even build surf rods, so I benefitted ZERO from this except tha I think those who participated were able to have a great time, learned a few things and were able to see if some of the things we were reading and hearing were BS or if they actually held up.

 

Now, if we had a contest to see which rod/reel/line combo dropped a sinker down 60 feet the fastest, that would benefit me, lol.

[Rapt Tite]

Looks like that dual purpose rod I built kicked some serious butt!!! I just recall the sound (or non sound) it made when used with a spinning reel. I've never used a large stripper for spinning since......................................... on large guides.

[derf]

** - caster had difficulty at first adjusting to castign a shorter rod. He was used to 13' tournament casting rods and did have some trouble throughout his casting session.

darn short rods

[diklarsen]

i am amazed at how well the sprial wrap did. considering building one for throwing out bunker heads. if it performs as well as my sprial wraped blackfish rod that would be awesome

[Fishinbubs 1953]

Hey Billy, thank you and the guys for doing the test when you did and then posting it! I'm surprised by how well the spiral wrap did and how the low riders smoked using mono!! I've always wondered about the different guide set ups and how well they would do and now it's finally here! Doing some thing right like this is a huge pain in the A88 (been there lol). Thanks again Bubs

[Fishaddict]

Mike, do you remember how far out your set the 25mm stripper on that dual set up, and number of guides you used?

Thanks

Bob

[Billy 40]

WE did NOT use the Low Rider guides for this rod, we used the CONCEPT of a smaller guide than normal placed far away from the reel seat. I'm goign to take a guess tha the guide was 35" form teh reel seat. Has anyone looked in te archives, it's probably posted somewhere in there. Number of guides, he's not goign to remember I promise.

 

Not sure why the Spiral wrap wouldnt' cast just as far...the line travels in a straight path with one change. Straight set up changes direction once as well, right at teh stripper. I was saying that over and over on teh boards that there was n oloss in casting distance, but this proved it.

 

Even with the relative lack of a difference, Sudsy was not comfortable the way it casted, and I believe OZ wouldn't use it either. I PM'd Sudsy to check this thread out and make sure wha tI stated was in fact teh truth, it's been a while. I really wasn't sure about this...but I think Suds might have mentioned he needed to use more thumb to control teh line on the spiral rod.

[Sudsy]

Pretty good distances considering we were casting sinkers (2.5 oz?? ) in tennis balls with 9' rods. (insert self back patting smilie here)

 

If memory serves I blew up a reel (Abu 6500 Mag Elite) big time casting the spiral, a nest to remember! That cast caused me to become a bit tentative with my last few throws and might have skewed the data for the spiral wrap conventional rod.

 

What I took from the experience:

 

I now build almost all my rods dual purpose with either a 25 or 30 gathering guide.

 

If you fish with braid, the cone theory is dead, no more 50 to 70 wire gathering guides tapering gradually down to a 12. Now it's hard choke at the first 25 or 30 guide and shoot.

 

Spiral kicks butt on a boat stick but I won't be using it on a surf rod.

 

The Avet Sx throws far and sounds really cool

 

Derf has a sweet ride and some nice tackle.

 

Billy would make an excellent Drill Sargent.