BrianBM Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I tripped over something on Versus called "Fish the Baja". The particular episode had the host and local buddy or two surfcasting for roosters with locally made lures and big spinning rods, which brought to mind HPD's intriguing posts over the years on his rooster trips. A couple of notes. The casting technique was comically bad; whatever the host normally does, it isn't surfcasting. The local lures were all very, very slender. The show was reasonably informative, as Versus fishing shows go (I have no interest in watching other people fish, be they celebrities or not, unless I can learn something) and I'll watch again. There was no mention of the rods, reels or lines in use. HPD, when last I saw one of your rooster posts, you were evaluating CTS and Century rods - I think. Did you come to a conclusion as to which rod you like best for plugging with 2-3 oz plugs and tins? And what are your current recommendations for rod design, COF or concept layouts? I'm flirting with a new spinner for local surf/plug use and it might as well be optimized for the Baja, too, if ever I get to join you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURFNHORNS Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 BrianBM, I saw the same show and I Know the Tall Angler well, His name is Stephan Jansen and he is an excellent surf fishermen!!! However the host I know nothing about but saw the same casting technique you did!!!! I really don't think in my opinion he surf fishes much and he says he only knows Stephan for about a year. However, Stephan knows his stuff and the lure he makes at his shop in Cabo is the Cabo Killer. I actually caught my first Rooster on one! And I believe that HPD could MAKE AND PRODUCE one of the Most Amazing shows on Rooster Fishing, equipment, and Technique that it would air every week for the next 5 years on Versus Channel!!!!! SURFNHORNS popper_one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukemon Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I saw that show and I thought it could have been a LOT more informative. There are so many interesting things about surf fishing for roosters, and none of the detail was brought out in the show. Too many interviews with that host in his office---who cares. The makers of that show were showcasing a special form of fishing in a foreign place. They should assume that their is curious. It'd be nice to see: a close-up of the plug on the surface close-up of the plug landing tackle in use retrieve techniques voice overs of what is going on. and more.... It was great to see a show devoted to rooster fishing the surf, but could've been so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Plains Drifter Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Brian - I saw the tail end of a "Fish the Baja" show where they were boat fishing for roosters. I didn't see any of the surf fishing segments. Based on the part I saw, I'd have to say the style of this show is not for me and just let it go at that. There are different ways of surf fishing for roosters. Some people fish only specific spots and make only a few casts in each spot. These people can use very large 13' rods because they have resting opportunities as they move to the next spot. My style of rooster fishing is to pound out hundreds of long range casts each day and cover miles of coastline. It's a game that will leave you completely exhausted by the end of the fishing session. For that reason I choose rods that balance long range casting effectiveness with personal endurance factors. Because of what I do and the people I host, I've had the opportunity to trial many rods and watch other people use them too. For the vast majority of guys, I've decided there are two outstanding rods. They stand shoulder to shoulder with each other and it would strictly be personal preference when picking one over the other. The 12' AFAW Universal and the 12.5' Century HJ 144L are awesome. They are capable of casting the desired @ 2.5 - 3 ounce lures in the 150 yard range WITH A MINIMUM OF MUSCLE AND EFFORT. They also have enough butt power to effectively bring big fish to the beach without causing death from exhaustion. I like them both with Lowrider guide configurations. For most guys, a 28" butt length is most efficient. Both these rods can be over-head thumped, off-the-ground, and pendulum cast (with discression). SurfnHorns - YOU would have to be the first celebrity guest on our fantasy fishing show !!! Just kidding because you know we are not about fame or fortune. Just the opportunity to fish with intriguing and talented surf fisherman is reward enough. Oh....and catching fish from heaven can't be ignored . Stephan Jansen in Cabo is indeed a stand up guy. He has probably caught more surf fishing trophies of more species than anyone I know of. And, he has the wall mounts and photos to prove it! He goes out of the way to help guys that he doesn't even know. His surf fishing shop in Cabo is a bee-hive of activity and a treat to see. Jansen is the real deal. I'm very lucky to be immersed in the tremendous surf fishing of the tropical Eastern Pacific. The opportunity to share this with other surf fishermen as their host is my honor and pleasure. I can't think of anything else I rather do! - HPD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBstripes Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I'm pretty new to the board, so I never really saw your posts before, but that is a seriously awesome picture. I'm definatley about to use the search function and hopefully find more pictures of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emaxxman Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 . The casting technique was comically bad; whatever the host normally does, it isn't surfcasting. I saw the show too. I've never gone surf fishing..will do that this year for the first time. What I noticed was that they got a small running start and then heaved the lure. I know nothing about proper technique so take this question as one of wanting to be educated...what is the proper technique? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambellies Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I tripped over something on Versus called "Fish the Baja". The particular episode had the host and local buddy or two surfcasting for roosters with locally made lures and big spinning rods, which brought to mind HPD's intriguing posts over the years on his rooster trips. A couple of notes. The casting technique was comically bad; whatever the host normally does, it isn't surfcasting. The local lures were all very, very slender. The show was reasonably informative, as Versus fishing shows go (I have no interest in watching other people fish, be they celebrities or not, unless I can learn something) and I'll watch again. There was no mention of the rods, reels or lines in use. HPD, when last I saw one of your rooster posts, you were evaluating CTS and Century rods - I think. Did you come to a conclusion as to which rod you like best for plugging with 2-3 oz plugs and tins? And what are your current recommendations for rod design, COF or concept layouts? I'm flirting with a new spinner for local surf/plug use and it might as well be optimized for the Baja, too, if ever I get to join you. He certainly didn't have the Ron Arra in his prime casting technique but he was able to cast far enough to catch some nice Pez Gallo's. In a previous show he got one that had to be in the high 40's if not a 50 pounder from shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2dogs Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I was in Cabo last september. Guys on the beach were throwing Deadly Dicks and doing pretty well on roosters. I only took fly tackle and just couldn't make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianBM Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 emaxxman, the host's casting technique was grossly inefficient; he was working far, far too hard for the load he put on the rod. His rod tip darn near slapped the sand or the wash after his release; I'd say he was barely in control of his tackle. Efficient casting wastes no effort. The running/skipping start he used adds nothing. An efficient cast looks .. easy, really. Hard to describe w/o pictures. Thousand-cast session such as HPD describes would kill the man from exhaustion. If some of our posters can recommend YouTube clips that show efficient overhead casts - not OTG or Pendulum or South African or any other of the graduate-school casting techniques, just clean overhead casting, that will probably help him a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez Gallo Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 2dogs...fishing the beach for roosters with the fly is a serious challenge so don't feel bad that it didn't happen. FYI...you were fishing some of the toughest water in Baja Sur for a fly angler. That Pacific ocean swell is no joke. Big roosters can indeed be taken on the fly from shore. Suffice it to say I'm addicted to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianBM Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 HPD, what are your current preferences in reels? The teardown of the current Emblem Pro-A doesn't overwhelm me with enthusiasm. The Saragosa 8000 isn't a long-cast spool, and somewhat smaller than optimal. I suspect the rod matters more, for this fishing, than does the reel, but you test more intensively than I ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianBM Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Pez Gallo, that's an awesome fish on a single-hand flyrod in the surf. If I weren't so talkative, I'd be struck dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfishter Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I saw the surf fishing segment with Stephen and it was actually decent. HPD- they did mention spending several days pounding the surf w/o any roosters and being exhausted at the end of the session. I can relate. In the show they hit it pretty well one day..a roosterfest they called it..numerous large roosters. That's Cabo.. Feast or Famine...its all timing..unlike the island which is a steady producer! They were using the ballyhoo primarily. I also have tapped all the segments too...an interesting show since I have surf fished down there since the 80's and its great to see all the areas they are (inshore) fishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
member_59279 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I saw the surf fishing segment with Stephen and it was actually decent. HPD- they did mention spending several days pounding the surf w/o any roosters and being exhausted at the end of the session. I can relate. So you think there are suggestions of the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
member_59279 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 2dogs...fishing the beach for roosters with the fly is a serious challenge so don't feel bad that it didn't happen. FYI...you were fishing some of the toughest water in Baja Sur for a fly angler. That Pacific ocean swell is no joke. Big roosters can indeed be taken on the fly from shore. Suffice it to say I'm addicted to it! hi guys nice pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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