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Critical Atlantic Ocean current system is showing early signs of collapse, prompting warning from scientists

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7 mins ago, snapper1 said:

Now we know you can read.

That leaves us with two more choices...

According to Socrates, recognizing our own ignorance is a sign of intelligence.

 

Go Chiefs.

Ignorance is relative. If you can't think on other's path's & ideologies, doesn't that make you ignorant? Just sayin' :howdy:.  Oh yeh, EFF the Chiefs. Go Niners!

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3 mins ago, snapper1 said:

Now we know you can read.

That leaves us with two more choices...

According to Socrates, recognizing our own ignorance is a sign of intelligence.

 

Go Chiefs.

One thing iv’e learned in my years on this earth is anyone who thinks this highly about their own intelligence, and lacks so much humility - isn’t much of anything.

I'll ignore your cheap aroma,

and your little-bo-peep diploma,

I'll just put you in a coma,

with some dirty love-

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3 hours ago, hydraman said:

Another child Im glad you can count. I’m sure you know science isn’t an exact thing and not always right.  What are you 8.  

Name one thing that you know science has gotten wrong. Science is not “right or wrong”. It’s always trying to zero in on better knowledge and explanations. You make it sound like it’s 50/50. Could go either way. No. Yes, it reverses itself sometimes, but mostly in things that have to do with human behavior and health. This is because epidemiology is an exceedingly hard field study because there are many confounding factors among humans. And humans cannot be studied in labs with controlled experiments very often. Do you know anything about what evidence climate and other scientists use to assess the two questions of: 1. if and how fast the world is warming, and 2. How human activities are causing it to warm? The answer to the first question is clear.  Yes it’s warming and very fast. Faster than they first realized. Fast compared to what? To other periods in recent or distant history. They have myriad ways of confirming this. They’re not guessing. Why would they? That’s not science. The second question is more complicated. But they’re confirming this too. The most basic thing is that CO2 has increased commensurately with temperature. Can you count? There’s also methane leaks. Wholly avoidable. There’s not much mystery here anymore. The temperature has risen as we’ve pumped more CO2 into the air by a very well known mechanism. CO2 acts exactly as a blanket. Add more blankets and it gets hotter. Why does this trigger the ignorant? Why do they think they know something they have not studied? All they have is “the climate has always changed”. I don’t get it. It’s not big government, globalists, communists or anybody else. It’s physics, chemistry and math. Scientists just discover things. They don’t create things. No they don’t ALWAYS get everything right the first time. But they have been studying this for decades now. And the basic mechanism of the greenhouse effect has been known for over a hundred years.  The things that models disagree about, but are always refining, are exactly how fast and where the effects will be felt. How fast will sea levels rise, glaciers melt, droughts and storms intensify, the oceans warm and acidify. And of course, how will this affect human populations and how will they react. If you don’t want to hear know or hear about it that’s fine. But others will have to. Yes the earth was hotter and colder in the very distant past. But do you want to live in that world or have very near future generations live in it? 

(*member formerly known as 'Robert Yacoub')

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"Scientists do know — from building a picture of the past using things like ice cores and ocean sediments — the AMOC shut down more than 12,000 years ago following rapid glacier melt"

 

What was the cause of this 12,000+ years ago?  Not being a wise arse here....curious what the scientists attribute this too.  It's just glossed over in the article but a significant statement, no?

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12 hours ago, Fisherman888 said:

Yes scientists are the ones that believed in the Mayan calendar. That’s right. Are you from another planet? Do you know what science is?  

Yes I understand siience. I also know when I see BS, and your full of it. But you have the right to live in fear. Stop fishing, don't drive , give up life and save the planet. You can do it.

Capt, Frank Mundus. The man, the myth, the legand.
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54 mins ago, FoliFish said:

"Scientists do know — from building a picture of the past using things like ice cores and ocean sediments — the AMOC shut down more than 12,000 years ago following rapid glacier melt"

 

What was the cause of this 12,000+ years ago?  Not being a wise arse here....curious what the scientists attribute this too.  It's just glossed over in the article but a significant statement, no?

 

The nature and history of AMOC is of scientific debate since it is relatively new area of research.

If you are asking about the glacial melt, we are currently in an interglacial period (the Holocene) of the current ice age (Quaternary Ice Age). As to why the Earth has these cycles in climate, look up  Milankovitch Cycles for a primer, it has to do with how the Earth is moving around in the Universe. 

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4 hours ago, hunter123 said:

True, but science has benn wrong many times.

 

That's sort of a nonsensical statement. Individual scientists have reached the wrong conclusions, or gathered bad data, or asked the wrong questions, but the scientific process is the only tool we have to gain actual knowledge of the universe. In fact, the only reason anyone can cite XXX scientific research was flawed is because other scientists - using the scientific method - have proven them wrong. 

 

The cure for bad science won't be people listening to podcasts and "doing their own research" in their little corner of the internet - it's better, more vigorous science. 

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On 2/10/2024 at 12:21 AM, Fisherman888 said:

 Just because “the climate always changes” doesn’t mean we’re not causing it to change right now.

You should read that again...maybe slower :read:

Show someone how to catch striped bass and they'll be ready to fish anywhere.
Show someone where to go striped bass fishing and you'll have a desperate report chaser with loose lips.

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2 hours ago, buddha162 said:

The cure for bad science won't be people listening to podcasts and "doing their own research" in their little corner of the internet - it's better, more vigorous science.

These days far too many scientific outcomes are bases on who's providing the funding - that's not actual science, it's paying someone to reach the conclusions that most benefit whomever is funding the 'research'. Actual science is becoming less and less popular.

Show someone how to catch striped bass and they'll be ready to fish anywhere.
Show someone where to go striped bass fishing and you'll have a desperate report chaser with loose lips.

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26 mins ago, TimS said:

These days far too many scientific outcomes are bases on who's providing the funding - that's not actual science, it's paying someone to reach the conclusions that most benefit whomever is funding the 'research'. Actual science is becoming less and less popular.

 

Not sure what you mean by "actual science" - someone has to fund research, and if the results stand up to vigorous peer review (and it must be vigorous) then in what sense is it not actual science? 

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