DAIWA UVF SALTIGA SJ Dura Sensor 8 Braid +Si2 'Breaking Bad'

[Busanga]

i bought this line rated at  35lb (16kg) and when i was testing knots (another thread on here) the line was breaking mid line. so i thought great..good knots!

 

But i realized i could pull the line and break it with my hands which seemed odd for 35lb line ( iam not strong) so i put it on my scales and sure enough is breaking at 13 to 14 lbs. snaps eaily. and this line looks waay thin for 35lb line.

 

something is not correct with the labelling of this line. for me it is useless, have to throw it away. expensive lesson.

 

i also bought 97lb , just tested that...breaks at 23lbs....

 

 

Edited June 9 by Busanga

[Busanga]

i reached out to the shop in Japan to let them know about the odd results for this top of range Daiwa line and this is what they wrote back. i did not even mention refund or anything, just said i was getting odd results and could they look into it...

 

sorry for the inconvenience,
first of all we have to check with DAIWA on next week as we never heard such claim from other users although we sold more than hundreds of this lines.
probably there are something wrong at the production processing.
Anyway I have refunded the whole amount of this lines,  against your payment transaction.

sorry again for the inconvenience and thank you for your report us.

 

have told them if /when they find out issue and if it was indeed bad batch , i have no problem buying it from them again...  

 

Excellent CS !!

Edited June 10 by Busanga

[EricL]

I just noticed you bought SJ sensor.  That's not a line really intended for surf casting. Your original topic I thought was for the dura sensor (non SJ). Not sure if there's a wacky difference though. The SJ means slow jigging. 

 

What shop did you buy from?

[Busanga]

Bought it from Digitaka. Didn't really notice ot was for slow jigging. Not sure really what that means in terms of line difference. (Except maybe the markings on the line) the blurb days its excellent for casting and is super anti abrasive and strong (hmm) for its diameter.  And Isofishing in Aussie also said is a step up from J Braid x8 Grand. 

 

Must be something wrong with this batch for 97lb line to break at 23lb mid line..  over and over.. not one individual weak point... 

[Busanga]

From a fishing news article ....

 

Description

New Tough Braided Line from DAIWA Specialized for Slow Jigging

DAIWA’s new 300% tougher braided line Dura Sensor series now has one, specialized for Slow Jigging model here.

DAIWA’s new technology for braided line, new material TOUGH PE, and it is coated by Si² – NEW Evo Silicone 2 makes 300% stronger than previous braided lines against scratch.

And for this slow jigging model, is especially for less elasticity… as DAIWA says less than 3%! Which means even for deep sea or more than 100m casting spot, jigs can be directly moved by your rod action, more than other existing braided lines.
Less elasticity also means more sensitivity, so you can catch a lot more information from your line – current, flow, fish bites and so on.

 

About its toughness of TOUGH PE + Si², here is the movie DAIWA introduces very interesting demonstration.

This demonstration uses UVF SALTIGA Dura Sensor 8 +Si², which uses the same technology. From 1:15 previous braided line #0.6 is set to the machine, tied by 400g sinker and watch how man times it can cut by scratching. That is cut by 23 times of scratching.

From 2:33 new line SALTIGA Dura Sensor #0.6 is set and starts scratching.
And see how many times it actually goes… Over 300 times!
This demonstration shows you how strong this braided line could be… That is one of our dream that tough and strong braided line against scratch.... 

 

Hope your Japanese is up to scratch... 

 

https://youtu.be/gp2JCoaPbbw

Edited June 10 by Busanga

[dcast]

I had the same problem with this line, PE2 as well..I now stay away from any labeled jigging line that I need for surf casting.

[Busanga]

Interesting.  Seems strange Daiwa would be so far off spec on this line yet their other lines are fine

[EricDice]

This situation seems rather ridiculous but it’s worth noting:

 

Japanese PE - aimed at pacific markets, these lines tend to break under rated strength. I believe I read somewhere that the jigging lines in particular are marketed for thinness and that could lead to further “under-rating” of strength labels.

 

I have ygk x-braid in 1.5, 2, and 2.5. The 2 is matched to 30 lbs leader and it’ll probably hold up to 35 lbs but I doubt 37/40 as rated. 
 

PE 1.5 is supposed to hold 30 lbs but I match that with 20 lbs leader. 

 

(occasionally 25 lbs and then split off to a teaser and a bottom section with a small clip where those branch lines are 20 lbs.)

 

The YGK at PE 2.5 is rated max 45 lbs. What’s this 97 lbs line, PE 6? PE 7?

[Busanga]

97lb pe 8

 

whatever it is ..is ridiculous to say very specifically 97lb and it breaks at 23 to 28 lbs

Edited June 12 by Busanga

[EricDice]

8 mins ago, Busanga said:

97lb pe 8

 

whatever it is ..is ridiculous to say very specifically 97lb and it breaks at 23 to 28 lbs

 

Agreed. By the way, I probably misspoke slightly. I checked a few places where I’ve seen people testing JPY/JDM PE. It’s pretty on point where it usually breaks versus the rated strength. 

[Busanga]

yes usually the Japan system is accurate to their pe / ABS. That is why this is so  odd.

 

is the USA system where they market 30lb when it is actually 50lb so they can impress folk with how strong it is...

[aquaholik]

On 6/9/2023 at 4:47 PM, Busanga said:

i bought this line rated at  35lb (16kg) and when i was testing knots (another thread on here) the line was breaking mid line. so i thought great..good knots!

 

But i realized i could pull the line and break it with my hands which seemed odd for 35lb line ( iam not strong) so i put it on my scales and sure enough is breaking at 13 to 14 lbs. snaps eaily. and this line looks waay thin for 35lb line.

 

something is not correct with the labelling of this line. for me it is useless, have to throw it away. expensive lesson.

 

i also bought 97lb , just tested that...breaks at 23lbs....

 

 

How are you attaching the line to the scale? With a knot?

 

[Busanga]

Bimini Knot and Surgeons knot. also tried wrapping it round taped hook. it doesnt snap at the knot it snaps mid line 

 

i can also break the 35lb line with my gloved hands... snaps without hardly pulling....mid line

 

i also confirmed the scale by lifting a barbell with the lines.... snapped midline again.

 

97lb couldnt  lift 3x 5kg weights...snapped mid line again

 

 

Edited June 12 by Busanga

[aquaholik]

31 mins ago, Busanga said:

Bimini Knot and Surgeons knot. also tried wrapping it round taped hook. it doesnt snap at the knot it snaps mid line 

 

i can also break the 35lb line with my gloved hands... snaps without hardly pulling....mid line

 

i also confirmed the scale by lifting a barbell with the lines.... snapped midline again.

 

97lb couldnt  lift 3x 5kg weights...snapped mid line again

 

 

Do me a favor, tie the line to a 30 lb mono leader and tie the 30 lb mono leader via FG or even better PR knot to the scale hook via a Palomar knot. Leave the main braided line on the spool. With glove hand, grab main spool with one hand and the scale with the other hand and pull.

 

Bimini and Surgeon knots are 50-70 percent with braid.

[EricDice]

1 hour ago, aquaholik said:

Do me a favor, tie the line to a 30 lb mono leader and tie the 30 lb mono leader via FG or even better PR knot to the scale hook via a Palomar knot. Leave the main braided line on the spool. With glove hand, grab main spool with one hand and the scale with the other hand and pull.

 

Bimini and Surgeon knots are 50-70 percent with braid.

I used to tie PR to say 100 lbs leader and fill buckets with water before I found your Dropbox spreadsheet!