Lithium battery durability

[757saltwater]

Nope I do not have any feedback.  I do not order the  lithium batteries since I do not want that responsibility nor liability.  This way the client gets the warranty direct thur the manufacture  and not a third  party.  There so many types no one can keep up with them all .  I am a installer that cooks with your ingredients.  If your pizza comes out not up to par. Then that is on you not me. The install will be done right (I back my work) but I can not vouch for any ithium batteries.  I have only installed them and haven't been called back to Uninstall for any of my clients.  I was told there was two main manufacture plants making them for everyone and they get rebadged. Not sure if this is true or not. 

 

Seems like noco onboard chargers are the more universal charger for lithium  that I have installed.  I have not and will not install as a cranking battery.   Seems like the batteries  with bsm is the way to go.   

 

Weight difference is a huge factor.  Mostly bass boats go lithium and flats style boats..  I really don't see a point anywhere else . Bigger boats can handle weight and they are uslly not concernd about it.  Some bigger boats rely on a standard battery weight as ballast when built  .so reducing weight can mess with the boat engineering (center of gravity)on older boats. 

 

On 5/23/2023 at 9:05 AM, Mick83 said:

You have installed tons of lithium batteries.  Do you have an opinion regarding which company's battery is the best quality?

I realize the longevity factor is yet to be determined.

Thank you

 

[slicedcornbread]

On 5/24/2023 at 10:09 AM, 757saltwater said:

Nope I do not have any feedback.  I do not order the  lithium batteries since I do not want that responsibility nor liability.  This way the client gets the warranty direct thur the manufacture  and not a third  party.  There so many types no one can keep up with them all .  I am a installer that cooks with your ingredients.  If your pizza comes out not up to par. Then that is on you not me. The install will be done right (I back my work) but I can not vouch for any ithium batteries.  I have only installed them and haven't been called back to Uninstall for any of my clients.  I was told there was two main manufacture plants making them for everyone and they get rebadged. Not sure if this is true or not. 

 

Seems like noco onboard chargers are the more universal charger for lithium  that I have installed.  I have not and will not install as a cranking battery.   Seems like the batteries  with bsm is the way to go.   

 

Weight difference is a huge factor.  Mostly bass boats go lithium and flats style boats..  I really don't see a point anywhere else . Bigger boats can handle weight and they are uslly not concernd about it.  Some bigger boats rely on a standard battery weight as ballast when built  .so reducing weight can mess with the boat engineering (center of gravity)on older boats. 

 

 

Mine is a small aluminum bass boat (17'), so weight was a big factor when I wanted to go from 12V to 24V. I stuck with a conventional battery for the starting and house stuff. I chose the NOCO 3 bank charger because it automatically detects what type of batteries you have.

[Eagles Dare]

On 5/23/2023 at 2:26 PM, moocks said:

Screw warranty's and durability. Would you use one to power your aircraft ? Well being out in the middle of the pond in your boat knowing no fire extinguisher can put out a lithium battery fire would give me pause...

 

Despite the many advantages of lithium-ion batteries, a significant safety drawback is the possibility that these batteries can overheat, catch fire, and cause explosions. Fires involving various lithium-ion battery products have increased at an alarming rate, resulting in numerous injuries and fatalities

 

You're thinking of lithium ion, which are in your iphone, laptop, and Tesla. These batteries are a different chemistry, LiFePo. Your lead-acid hydrogen bomb is much more likely to cause a fire.

 

Biggest issues with LiFePo are the price, and if you try and charge them in below freezing temps you can ruin them. Many have a temp probe built in but there's a lot of the cheaper Amazon versions that don't.

 

I have a SOK 206ah in my slide-in camper. More usuable power than 2 lead acids and weighs less than 1.  

[Captain Ahab]

On 5/24/2023 at 12:02 PM, Eagles Dare said:

 

You're thinking of lithium ion, which are in your iphone, laptop, and Tesla. These batteries are a different chemistry, LiFePo. Your lead-acid hydrogen bomb is much more likely to cause a fire.

 

Biggest issues with LiFePo are the price, and if you try and charge them in below freezing temps you can ruin them. Many have a temp probe built in but there's a lot of the cheaper Amazon versions that don't.

 

I have a SOK 206ah in my slide-in camper. More usuable power than 2 lead acids and weighs less than 1.  

Exactly!!  

 

Where are all these out of control boat fires?????

 

Check the bass and walleye pro guys they are all using the lithium.  I just ordered one and will report once I use it.

 

 

 

 

[Jmat321]

I got 2 for my trolling motor system.  They are mounted in my console.  I had one fail after a few weeks of use, replaced under warranty.  Have not had any issues since then.

[z-man]

On 5/24/2023 at 12:02 PM, Eagles Dare said:

 

You're thinking of lithium ion, which are in your iphone, laptop, and Tesla. These batteries are a different chemistry, LiFePo. Your lead-acid hydrogen bomb is much more likely to cause a fire.

 

Biggest issues with LiFePo are the price, and if you try and charge them in below freezing temps you can ruin them. Many have a temp probe built in but there's a lot of the cheaper Amazon versions that don't.

 

I have a SOK 206ah in my slide-in camper. More usuable power than 2 lead acids and weighs less than 1.  

Is that the same as the LiPo batteries that are in RC cars? There have been issues with them catching fire while charging. 
I’m probably going to make the switch to dual lithium batteries soon. What are some quality manufacturers? The only one I typically hear about is Dakota Lithium. 

[aae0130]

On 5/23/2023 at 7:41 PM, Mick83 said:

I have been told by a battery/ motor salesman- installer that the lithium batteries used on boats do not pose the fire risk that lithium batteries used in other applications pose.

I hope he is correct, but I have no way of knowing if he is a credible source.

It is correct. Marine Li batteries are Lifpo4 which is iron phosphate. No longer a fire hazard and they dont gas out like lead acid. The thing to watch for is good Li batteries and chargers have cut off protection for when your batteries are being charged outdoors (boat in driveway) and the temp drops below freezing. Li doesn’t like to take a charge at freezing and it can get damaged unless it has onboard electronics to turn  itself off. So be careful when buying too cheap……….

Edited May 25 by aae0130

[Captain Ahab]

On 5/24/2023 at 10:09 AM, 757saltwater said:

 

 

Weight difference is a huge factor.  Mostly bass boats go lithium and flats style boats..  I really don't see a point anywhere else . Bigger boats can handle weight and they are uslly not concernd about it.  Some bigger boats rely on a standard battery weight as ballast when built  .so reducing weight can mess with the boat engineering (center of gravity)on older boats. 

 

 

Why would anyone place a battery below the water line as ballast?   I always thought you want any battery high and dry, that way if the boat takes on water the battery can still run the bilge pump.  Submerged battery equals no pump equals sunk boat.

 

Lighter weight batteries up higher in a boat should help, not hinder, stability correct?

Edited May 25 by Captain Ahab

[Captain Ahab]

On 5/20/2023 at 7:37 AM, slicedcornbread said:

I didn't buy through Amazon. I bought direct from VMax Charge Tank. These are the ones I bought. A buddy of mine has had these for a couple years now with excellent results.

The size I bought and a decent price right now;

https://www.vmaxtanks.com/LFP24-1265-LiFePO4-Li-Iron-12V-65AH-Deep-Cycle-Battery_p_235.html

I just received my Vmax 12v 50ah battery.  Charged it up and gonna test it.  Thing is so small and light compared to my current lead acid battery set up.  

[slicedcornbread]

On 5/25/2023 at 5:45 AM, Captain Ahab said:

I just received my Vmax 12v 50ah battery.  Charged it up and gonna test it.  Thing is so small and light compared to my current lead acid battery set up.  

I was amazed at how light they are. My 65 AH batteries weigh in at 15 lbs each. So two of these weigh less than one lead acid deep cycle that I had in there. I only wish I could move my gas tank to the left side of the boat now and the batteries to the right to balance the weight better when I'm fishing or driving the boat alone. Do you have a charger that will handle lithium batteries?

Edited May 25 by slicedcornbread

[Captain Ahab]

On 5/25/2023 at 6:37 AM, slicedcornbread said:

I was amazed at how light they are. My 65 AH batteries weigh in at 15 lbs each. So two of these weigh less than one lead acid deep cycle that I had in there. I only wish I could move my gas tank to the left side of the boat now and the batteries to the right to balance the weight better when I'm fishing or driving the boat alone. Do you have a charger that will handle lithium batteries?

I do have a lithium charger.  I am wondering about ah rating and on the water experiance.  I went with a 50ah because the 65ah is not in stock.  I run two tm each with a dedicated battery so if the 50ah dies I can still use my second tm on the other (right now) lead battery.

 

Curious to see which gives me more range and time.  Also excited to see how the lithium does as they are not supposed to drop voltage as they discharge

[slicedcornbread]

On 5/25/2023 at 7:05 AM, Captain Ahab said:

I do have a lithium charger.  I am wondering about ah rating and on the water experiance.  I went with a 50ah because the 65ah is not in stock.  I run two tm each with a dedicated battery so if the 50ah dies I can still use my second tm on the other (right now) lead battery.

 

Curious to see which gives me more range and time.  Also excited to see how the lithium does as they are not supposed to drop voltage as they discharge

Nice! Sounds like a good plan. I think you'll find the 50 AH will be plenty for a decent amount of time on the water. Enjoy man. 

[NewAtIt]

I have a 2023 grizzly Tracker with a 40 HP merc and a Terrova 24V 80# thrust motor and wanted a single battery solution for simplicity.

 

after talking to friends I went with the EnduroPower 24V 50Ah ProConnect and couldn’t be happier. 

 

I fished Monday and Tuesday in very light winds and was on the TM all day and only used 34% in 2 days. 

 

Battery charges quickly, has an app so I can monitor temps, percentage of power etc. 

 

I used it on a day with 20 to 30 MPH wind and gusts and it only used 44%

 

 

[slicedcornbread]

On 5/25/2023 at 10:15 AM, NewAtIt said:

I have a 2023 grizzly Tracker with a 40 HP merc and a Terrova 24V 80# thrust motor and wanted a single battery solution for simplicity.

 

after talking to friends I went with the EnduroPower 24V 50Ah ProConnect and couldn’t be happier. 

 

I fished Monday and Tuesday in very light winds and was on the TM all day and only used 34% in 2 days. 

 

Battery charges quickly, has an app so I can monitor temps, percentage of power etc. 

 

I used it on a day with 20 to 30 MPH wind and gusts and it only used 44%

 

 

How much does that one weigh? I like the extra options it provides. 

[NewAtIt]

On 5/25/2023 at 11:04 AM, slicedcornbread said:

How much does that one weigh? I like the extra options it provides. 

24 pounds. 

 

There’s a few reasons I went with EnduroPower 

- I needed a battery that was easily removable so I could charge it - theres no power where I store my boat

 

- every other major manufacturer of single cell 24V lithiums was out of stock and when I called and left a message I received no response 

 

- when I called EnduroPower I left a message and as soon as they opened for business I received a call back - discussed my needs, situation and intended use the person on the phone recommended the 24V 50Ah with the appropriate charger. During, our phone conversation I found out he was the owner of the company so if the owner takes the time to answer the phone and discuss his products with me that’s a company I want to do business with. 

 

- friends of mine use their batteries in their boats and kayaks and all had positive feedback. 

 

Having the app so I can monitor battery usage through out the day ( on multi day out of town trips ) is very useful to me. 

 

https://www.enduropowerbatteries.com/collections/baja-proconnect-series/products/enduro-power-24v-50ah-lithium-lifepo4-battery-proconnect-series