New slot limits for Bass

[PhotoManTrav]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:06 PM, akoller said:

A better way to represent the state of the fishery would be something like "potential reproductive value," rather than number of fish. It would be related to both total fish and how many total eggs each fish could produce, so larger fish would be more valuable. The commercial take is low in number of bass killed but high in reproductive value removed from the population because it selectively removes large breeders (at least in MA). I'm assuming that the models used by fisheries management take this into account.

This is mainly what I am getting across. You said it better than I explained my distrust for it. I personally DON'T think the fishery management accounts for this due to a few factors. 

[albacized]

I guess I just don’t understand where the gov get rec numbers from. I’ve been approached only a small handful of times in my entire life by authorities who want to ask questions about how many stripers I catch and how many I keep. The answer is typically several hundred a year, and I keep none.
 

No one ever asks if any of my released fish appeared destine to not make it…the answer that’s would one or two a year (with only a couple exceptions, this is due to the one or two occasions a year I accidentally drop a small fish in the rocks and can’t reach or find it)  and while I hate when that happens, I hardly think I’m wiping out the striped bass population. 
 

 

[FoulHooker]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:21 PM, PhotoManTrav said:

LOL are you done literally crying? I'm having no issue at all personally. I'm doing just find catching in the slot. You sound like an elitist a*****e who has a biased towards commercial angling. 

Just to preface and remind you again: If you think I care about keeping striped bass and slot sizes for food, I literally don't. If I had it my way, NO ONE would keep any striped bass for the net 5-10 years. 

I agree with that.  The Slot change is a positive thing in the conservation of striped bass.

[FoulHooker]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:36 PM, albacized said:

I guess I just don’t understand where the gov get rec numbers from. I’ve been approached only a small handful of times in my entire life by authorities who want to ask questions about how many stripers I catch and how many I keep. The answer is typically several hundred a year, and I keep none.
 

No one ever asks if any of my released fish appeared destine to not make it…the answer that’s would one or two a year (with only a couple exceptions, this is due to the one or two occasions a year I accidentally drop a small fish in the rocks and can’t reach or find it)  and while I hate when that happens, I hardly think I’m wiping out the striped bass population. 
 

 

 

9% mortality rate on released fish.  Even if they swim off okay

[PhotoManTrav]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:39 PM, FoulHooker said:

I agree with that.  The Slot change is a positive thing in the conservation of striped bass.

I never said it wasn't, so I'm not sure why you just went off like you did. LOL

[capequahog]

What states are in on this ?

[MakoMike]

On 5/8/2023 at 5:23 PM, capequahog said:

What states are in on this ?

All of them, it’s an ASMFC directive.

[CWitek]

On 5/8/2023 at 11:33 AM, PhotoManTrav said:

How does this effect Commerical Anglers though? We going to have another year of this in the Boston Harbor, and then have them turn around and blame the surf casters like they always do? This is all well and good, but until Mass gets off their ass and does something about Commercial Licensing in the state, the striped bass population is going to keep up. It's a half solution. 
 

 

2022 commercial landings were roughly the same as they were in 2021--and constrained by a quota--while recreational landings doubled, so there was no need to impose an emergency reduction on the commercial sector.

 

When Addendum II is put in place next year, the commercial fishery will be addressed, probably with a maximum size,

[CWitek]

On 5/8/2023 at 1:10 PM, PhotoManTrav said:

While I agree charters play a bigger role in this, I'm going to admit this and it's a hot take, but I hate this chart and think it's pretty garbage at analyzing overall Quality of fish being caught/released to answer overall cause and effect, and the data is missing information.

- What's the average size of fishing being caught per sector? 
- How are we confirming this information? 
- Regulation differences between Com/Rec/Charter between these years?
- Number of angleOutrr access per year?
- Licensing sold?
- Poachers caught?

To me, this chart reads like taking peoples word for it, and the word of Enviornmental Management which I don't take to any high esteems on the data presented. 

What you take as gospel or fact, I think stands to question as junk and biased data due to financial gains based around the fisheries. 

TL;DR I think this chart is literally lying about commercial data. 

Outside of the information on licenses sold and poaching, you can go to the MRIP query website and find all of the other information that you seek,

[CWitek]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:04 PM, PhotoManTrav said:

I've already read it and I don't trust it; I'm not changing my position on it. We have a whole world of direct contact with fisherman through social media posts and bragging, financial incentives and monetary gain to suggest that the numbers around commercial fishing are fudged to support the idea that charters and surf anglers do more harm than they do, and the continue change to the regulations continue to support that claim. IDC if you want to ignore that, or that bothers you or you want to chalk it up as "Dock talk". If I had it my way, all striped bass would be thrown back no matter the size, and the fine for being caught with any would be $10,000 minimum with suspension of license for 1 year. I don't want anyone keeping striped bass at all to help save the runs. 

I counter suggest that if you believe everything you read is 100% fact, and this is whining to you, then I suggest you get offline, and grow a thicker skin. 

 

Actually, it's neither surf fishermen nor charter boats killing most of the fish.  It's anglers fishing from private boats.

[CWitek]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:36 PM, albacized said:

I guess I just don’t understand where the gov get rec numbers from. I’ve been approached only a small handful of times in my entire life by authorities who want to ask questions about how many stripers I catch and how many I keep. The answer is typically several hundred a year, and I keep none.
 

No one ever asks if any of my released fish appeared destine to not make it…the answer that’s would one or two a year (with only a couple exceptions, this is due to the one or two occasions a year I accidentally drop a small fish in the rocks and can’t reach or find it)  and while I hate when that happens, I hardly think I’m wiping out the striped bass population. 
 

 

Read this: https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/resource/document/mrip-data-user-handbook, to understand the basics of where the numbers come from, then read this https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/review-of-the-marine-recreational-information-program , which is a scientific review of the stiatistical validity of the program.  Then you'll understand where the numbers come from.

 

As far as your opinion--or my opinion--of whether a released fish survived, it's pretty well meaningless.  On the other hand, a study now being conducted by Massachusetts DMF, which employs acoustic tags to measure the rate of delayed mortality, is pretty much state of the art, and is providing a lot of good information about the factors leading to release mortality, 

[Richard_the_Aughth]

On 5/9/2023 at 7:41 AM, CWitek said:

Read this: https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/resource/document/mrip-data-user-handbook, to understand the basics of where the numbers come from, then read this https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/review-of-the-marine-recreational-information-program , which is a scientific review of the stiatistical validity of the program.  Then you'll understand where the numbers come from.

 

As far as your opinion--or my opinion--of whether a released fish survived, it's pretty well meaningless.  On the other hand, a study now being conducted by Massachusetts DMF, which employs acoustic tags to measure the rate of delayed mortality, is pretty much state of the art, and is providing a lot of good information about the factors leading to release mortality, 

What does it say? I'm always curious if the fish i release survive, and I try to get them back in ASAP.

[Gwiz]

Commerical fishing is a fu***** joke. 99% of the commerical guys are just guys who want to offset their gas and slip charges. They are not true commerical guys.  Close it down. 

[zak-striper]

On 5/9/2023 at 10:58 AM, Gwiz said:

Commerical fishing is a fu***** joke. 99% of the commerical guys are just guys who want to offset their gas and slip charges. They are not true commerical guys.  Close it down. 

 

And before they closed the canal to commercial fishing a couple of years ago, they were using their catch to pay for their Stellas or Van Staals, Boga grips, custom rods, etc.

 

Close down commercial fishing for stripers. It's a very short season and no one is paying their mortgage or putting their kids through college with striper money.

[Jeff270]

On 5/9/2023 at 11:14 AM, zak-striper said:

 

And before they closed the canal to commercial fishing a couple of years ago, they were using their catch to pay for their Stellas or Van Staals, Boga grips, custom rods, etc.

 

Close down commercial fishing for stripers. It's a very short season and no one is paying their mortgage or putting their kids through college with striper money.

Limit commercial striper licenses to REAL commercial fisherman.

• If you don't make a majority of your income from fishing, you don't qualify
  • Easy to prove.  Show a copy of last years tax return.  If you showed "lawyer, baker, or candlestick maker",  but don't list "fisherman", you don't qualify.
• No new licenses.  If you didn't have one during the last 3 years, too bad
  • And if you had one, but never reported a catch over that period, your done also

This would eliminate 99% of the weekend warriors.