New slot limits for Bass

[CWitek]

On 5/7/2023 at 4:56 PM, Gotcow? said:

Potentially effective is not effective.

 

I have zero faith that the ASMFC will do what is necessary until after the total collapse.

 

Then it will take a generation to maybe get the fishery back on it's feet again.

 

An there's no guarantees that the spring weather will be hospitable to a good spring spawning cycle.

They seem to be doing the right things so far.

 

The emergency action was significant, and if Addendum II is solid, the bass could come out OK.

 

The ASMFC was worthless before Amendment 7, but from that point moving forward, they have been on the right track.

[PhotoManTrav]

How does this effect Commerical Anglers though? We going to have another year of this in the Boston Harbor, and then have them turn around and blame the surf casters like they always do? This is all well and good, but until Mass gets off their ass and does something about Commercial Licensing in the state, the striped bass population is going to keep up. It's a half solution. 
 

 

[ItWasTheDogISwear]

Totally support reducing the slot, but honestly I think it's on us to advocate for better enforcement - from slot sizes to use of circle hooks.

 

We need game wardens aggressively enforcing regs on the entire coast, and more resources dedicated to the issue. Writing my state legislators today. 

[FoulHooker]

On 5/8/2023 at 11:33 AM, PhotoManTrav said:

How does this effect Commerical Anglers though? We going to have another year of this in the Boston Harbor, and then have them turn around and blame the surf casters like they always do? This is all well and good, but until Mass gets off their ass and does something about Commercial Licensing in the state, the striped bass population is going to keep up. It's a half solution. 
 

 

Its not the surfcasters as much as the charters.  No one fishing with there feet on the ground is putting a dent in the population.   please read the FACTS https://asmfc.org/species/atlantic-striped-bass

 

[R.R. Bridge Fisher]

Seriously how are the recreational mortality numbers measured?  If it's in that posted article I apologize I plan to read it tonight..

[PhotoManTrav]

On 5/8/2023 at 12:57 PM, FoulHooker said:

Its not the surfcasters as much as the charters.  No one fishing with there feet on the ground is putting a dent in the population.   please read the FACTS https://asmfc.org/species/atlantic-striped-bass

 

While I agree charters play a bigger role in this, I'm going to admit this and it's a hot take, but I hate this chart and think it's pretty garbage at analyzing overall Quality of fish being caught/released to answer overall cause and effect, and the data is missing information.

- What's the average size of fishing being caught per sector? 
- How are we confirming this information? 
- Regulation differences between Com/Rec/Charter between these years?
- Number of angler access per year?
- Licensing sold?
- Poachers caught?

To me, this chart reads like taking peoples word for it, and the word of Enviornmental Management which I don't take to any high esteems on the data presented. 

What you take as gospel or fact, I think stands to question as junk and biased data due to financial gains based around the fisheries. 

TL;DR I think this chart is literally lying about commercial data. 

Edited May 8 by PhotoManTrav

[Jmat321]

would prefer a 25-28 or 24-27 slot or just close it. very brief troll on the boat this w/e, hot bite everything over 35".  if you're looking to eat, you're culling thru a ton of larger fish to get that one little guy.   on the flip side you can go in the back and get a 25"er pretty quick, 28"-31" in the back you're culling a lot of sub 28"ers.

[bob_G]

On 5/8/2023 at 1:17 PM, Jmat321 said:

would prefer a 25-28 or 24-27 slot or just close it. very brief troll on the boat this w/e, hot bite everything over 35".  if you're looking to eat, you're culling thru a ton of larger fish to get that one little guy.   on the flip side you can go in the back and get a 25"er pretty quick, 28"-31" in the back you're culling a lot of sub 28"ers.

One advantage to harvesting smaller fish, below 28", is that at that size you'll be harvesting a few males. 

Harvesting males put  far less strain on the beleaguered stripers that harvesting 100% breeding females.

[FoulHooker]

On 5/8/2023 at 1:10 PM, PhotoManTrav said:

While I agree charters play a bigger role in this, I'm going to admit this and it's a hot take, but I hate this chart and think it's pretty garbage at analyzing overall Quality of fish being caught/released to answer overall cause and effect, and the data is missing information.

- What's the average size of fishing being caught per sector? 
- How are we confirming this information? 
- Regulation differences between Com/Rec/Charter between these years?
- Number of angler access per year?
- Licensing sold?
- Poachers caught?

To me, this chart reads like taking peoples word for it, and the word of Enviornmental Management which I don't take to any high esteems on the data presented. 

What you take as gospel or fact, I think stands to question as junk and biased data due to financial gains based around the fisheries. 

TL;DR I think this chart is literally lying about commercial data. 

Read the article its not.  Enough with he dock talk and whinning

[PhotoManTrav]

On 5/8/2023 at 1:53 PM, FoulHooker said:

Read the article its not.  Enough with he dock talk and whinning

I've already read it and I don't trust it; I'm not changing my position on it. We have a whole world of direct contact with fisherman through social media posts and bragging, financial incentives and monetary gain to suggest that the numbers around commercial fishing are fudged to support the idea that charters and surf anglers do more harm than they do, and the continue change to the regulations continue to support that claim. IDC if you want to ignore that, or that bothers you or you want to chalk it up as "Dock talk". If I had it my way, all striped bass would be thrown back no matter the size, and the fine for being caught with any would be $10,000 minimum with suspension of license for 1 year. I don't want anyone keeping striped bass at all to help save the runs. 

I counter suggest that if you believe everything you read is 100% fact, and this is whining to you, then I suggest you get offline, and grow a thicker skin. 

 

[akoller]

A better way to represent the state of the fishery would be something like "potential reproductive value," rather than number of fish. It would be related to both total fish and how many total eggs each fish could produce, so larger fish would be more valuable. The commercial take is low in number of bass killed but high in reproductive value removed from the population because it selectively removes large breeders (at least in MA). I'm assuming that the models used by fisheries management take this into account.

[FoulHooker]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:04 PM, PhotoManTrav said:

I've already read it and I don't trust it; I'm not changing my position on it. We have a whole world of direct contact with fisherman through social media posts and bragging, financial incentives and monetary gain to suggest that the numbers around commercial fishing are fudged to support the idea that charters and surf anglers do more harm than they do, and the continue change to the regulations continue to support that claim. IDC if you want to ignore that, or that bothers you or you want to chalk it up as "Dock talk". If I had it my way, all striped bass would be thrown back no matter the size, and the fine for being caught with any would be $10,000 minimum with suspension of license for 1 year. I don't want anyone keeping striped bass at all to help save the runs. 

I counter suggest that if you believe everything you read is 100% fact, and this is whining to you, then I suggest you get offline, and grow a thicker skin. 

 

Buddy there's a quota and select fishing days.  Its very easy to track them.  Just the fact there there are 1000s of more rec anglers fishing everyday.  If you care you would fish for something else.  If your whinning its because you cant keep a 33 incher thats dumb.

[FoulHooker]

 The commercial fishery harvested 3.62 million pounds (about 583,000 fish) in 2020, and 4.29 million pounds (about 634,000 fish) in 2021 under Addendum VI. Overall, average commercial harvest in 2020-2021 was 16% lower than the average commercial harvest from 2015-2019, which aligns with the 18% reduction in commercial quotas implemented through Addendum VI.

 

In 2020, total recreational harvest was estimated at 1.71 million fish, and in 2021, total recreational harvest was estimated at 1.82 million fish. 

 

Do the math from fish to lbs.

 

If you have a hard time catching fish in the slot this year sell all your **** because you suck at fishing.  There is a huge class of slot fish this year.  They didn't want every rec angler (mostly charters) destroying that year class of fish.  This will give a better chance for a good spawning season in the coming years.

[PhotoManTrav]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:06 PM, FoulHooker said:

Buddy there's a quota and select fishing days.  Its very easy to track them.  Just the fact there there are 1000s of more rec anglers fishing everyday.  If you care you would fish for something else.  If your whinning its because you cant keep a 33 incher thats dumb.

I don't keep or eat any stiped bass. I fish for stripers with only lures, mostly single hook, and purely for sport. I don't think they taste good. Very mature of you to assume I give any care about keeping striper just because I think the commercial numbers are B******t. 

Also, I do fish for many other spices, thanks for the advice though. I'll gladly send pictures of all my gear, rods and catches of other fish if that helps pacify whatever trip you're on. 

Trout
Crappie
Yellow Perch
Pike
Squid
Scup
Flounder
Tog
Black Sea Bass
Mackerel (my personal favorite)

You done now?

[PhotoManTrav]

On 5/8/2023 at 2:12 PM, FoulHooker said:

 The commercial fishery harvested 3.62 million pounds (about 583,000 fish) in 2020, and 4.29 million pounds (about 634,000 fish) in 2021 under Addendum VI. Overall, average commercial harvest in 2020-2021 was 16% lower than the average commercial harvest from 2015-2019, which aligns with the 18% reduction in commercial quotas implemented through Addendum VI.

 

In 2020, total recreational harvest was estimated at 1.71 million fish, and in 2021, total recreational harvest was estimated at 1.82 million fish. 

 

Do the math from fish to lbs.

 

If you have a hard time catching fish in the slot this year sell all your **** because you suck at fishing.  There is a huge class of slot fish this year.  They didn't want every rec angler (mostly charters) destroying that year class of fish.  This will give a better chance for a good spawning season in the coming years.

LOL are you done literally crying? I'm having no issue at all personally. I'm doing just find catching in the slot. You sound like an elitist a*****e who has a biased towards commercial angling. 

Just to preface and remind you again: If you think I care about keeping striped bass and slot sizes for food, I literally don't. If I had it my way, NO ONE would keep any striped bass for the net 5-10 years.