levari Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 (edited) 47 mins ago, Local24 SSP said: let me preface the book I wrote by saying I’m not sure if you have been trying to compare the quality and reliability of an Evo to the SME but… I don’t own a SME, I owned an evo (I won in a raffle) for all of a week. I don’t keep many friends that fish, maybe 4. Yet I know of at least 6 (confirmed) evos that have broken on guys while fishing out on sand bars. Every ODM salesman/rep on the planet preaches how strong of blank it is, it’s not. I like my 2 NEX1s, they take an absolute beating and still perform. But IMO an evo is nothing but a knock off CTS, without being proven (like a CTS) ODM’s marketing is impressive, most of their rods however are not. I don’t want to have to think about being flawless when landing a fish, and babying the rod, which IMO is EXACTLY what the evo requires. An evo maybe a great rod for the average fisherman.. but for guys that beat the brakes off their gear, there is without question far better options on the market... The SM or SME for example I am not trying to compare between the evo and SME. I never used any of these rods and I’ve no idea how fragile these rods. My replies were only based on cost when a statement was made that both are on the same ballpark. in regard to ODM, I only own the Genesis 2021 line of rods and I feel very comfortable with these rods. Regarding your statement “ for guys that beat the brakes off their gear, there is without question far better options on the market... The SM or SME for example” I am one of the guys that 70% of my fishing is wet suiting at night in BI. I will be very concern swimming to rocks with $1000 rod without a proper warranty or you can call it insurance if you wish.. Edited March 28 by levari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local24 SSP Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 45 mins ago, levari said: I am not trying to compare between the evo and SME. I never used any of these rods and I’ve no idea how fragile these rods. My replies were only based on cost when a statement was made that both are on the same ballpark. in regard to ODM, I only own the Genesis 2021 line of rods and I feel very comfortable with these rods. Regarding your statement “ for guys that beat the brakes off their gear, there is without question far better options on the market... The SM or SME for example” I am one of the guys that 70% of my fishing is wet suiting at night in BI. I will be very concern swimming to rocks with $1000 rod without a proper warranty or you can call it insurance if you wish.. Do you believe ODM provides you with the proper “insurance”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levari Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Local24 SSP said: Do you believe ODM provides you with the proper “insurance”? Yes, I don’t expect a better warranty for rods in the $300-$500 price range… I also don’t want you to get the wrong impression that I am criticizing the Century warranty. They are free to offer any kind of warranty they wish. Personally I am not going to risk $1100 investment on a fishing rod that can be broken by slamming it against rocks or not noticing that the line is wrapped around the tip prior to a cast or any of other scenario listed on the Century web site. Edited March 28 by levari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local24 SSP Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 16 mins ago, levari said: Yes, I don’t expect a better warranty for rods in the $300-$500 price range… I also don’t want you to get the wrong impression that I am criticizing the Century warranty. They are free to offer any kind of warranty they wish. Personally I am not going to risk $1100 investment on a fishing rod that can be broken by slamming it against rocks or not noticing that the line is wrapped around the tip prior to a cast or any of other scenario listed on the Century web site. Maybe you or someone you know has dealt with ODM’s warranty. I only know 2 people that have, it’s a hassle from what I’ve been told. After a year with ODM you are SOL. That’s probably my biggest problem with them. They DO NOT stand by their product. $1100 is pricey, I personally wouldn’t put up that money on a rod. I had the 10’ 3/4-4 surf machine built for around $650 (forget exactly what I paid). Granted it’s only been a few weeks, so far I am a big fan of the rod. R.R. Bridge Fisher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levari Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 23 mins ago, Local24 SSP said: Maybe you or someone you know has dealt with ODM’s warranty. I only know 2 people that have, it’s a hassle from what I’ve been told. After a year with ODM you are SOL. That’s probably my biggest problem with them. They DO NOT stand by their product. $1100 is pricey, I personally wouldn’t put up that money on a rod. I had the 10’ 3/4-4 surf machine built for around $650 (forget exactly what I paid). Granted it’s only been a few weeks, so far I am a big fan of the rod. I never dealt with ODM warranty. I bought these rods during the holidays with 15-20% discount. I only use them in open surf. I think you did the right thing buying the surf machine. I would have done the same if I didn’t have a ton of other rods. Edited March 29 by levari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauerkraut Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 7 hours ago, striperswiper06437 said: For $1200 I can get 3 GSB 132-1M rods built for me and those rods get the job done, are very durable, cast well, are generally light when built properly and will handle anything the New England surf scene can throw at it. 1. GSB ...-1M. I agree. 2. How many ferrules does this new fangled SME rod have? 3. Am I the only remaining practitioner that hates ferrules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogiiiboy Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 6 hours ago, levari said: The pure math does not support you. Century SME Elite 11’3” blank $863 Century SME Elite rod -$1074 The difference is $211. ODM evolution 11’6” blank $390 ODM rod built with the same component as the SME elite: $390+$211= $601 $690 vs $950 far from being same ballpark.. He said HE GOT A DEAL levari!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmouthFisher Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, sauerkraut said: 1. GSB ...-1M. I agree. 2. How many ferrules does this new fangled SME rod have? 3. Am I the only remaining practitioner that hates ferrules? Not sure how this is relevant. This thread was a comparison of three two-piece rods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levari Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 10 mins ago, yogiiiboy said: He said HE GOT A DEAL levari!! Before you bang your head against the wall read again the last line of my post..I feel bad for the wall… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmouthFisher Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 4 mins ago, levari said: Before you bang your head against the wall read again the last line of my post..I feel bad for the wall… Levari, when I google ODM evolution, the first site that shows up sells finished rods. The extra cost to upgrade to titanium guides for the ODM increases the cost by $200 and brings the final price to $900. you have to give up on your math project here. You’re lost. Water Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Dog Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 It’s quite comical. R.R. Bridge Fisher and FalmouthFisher 2 Hobie Power Skiff Fisherman Hobie Revolution 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levari Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 55 mins ago, FalmouthFisher said: Levari, when I google ODM evolution, the first site that shows up sells finished rods. The extra cost to upgrade to titanium guides for the ODM increases the cost by $200 and brings the final price to $900. you have to give up on your math project here. You’re lost. I was not aware that the SME is equipped with the titanium guides until later in the thread. In that case the difference in the price is $174. Water Dog got a discount of 15% during the holidays. Most shops offer the same discount so you can assume that during the holidays the difference in the price will remain the same. Is $174 difference being considered as same ballpark? You decide. The difference for custom rods is significantly higher: $863 versus $390( price of blanks). I will be surprised if you can’t get a custom EVO built to your spec with Titanium guides for less than $900. Edited March 29 by levari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogiiiboy Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, levari said: Before you bang your head against the wall read again the last line of my post..I feel bad for the wall… Nice try ……why don’t you read his answer a little closer……. I feel bad for you. Edited March 29 by yogiiiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Dog Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 10 hours ago, Water Dog said: At this level, we’re all nerdy gear heads in one form or another. BTW, I got my factory build brand new for $950 last fall. A full ODM Evolution build cones in at around the same ballpark. Speaking of light weight, mine comes in at a mere 11.03 oz, which is why my upgraded VSX150 balances so well on this 11 footer. 10 hours ago, levari said: I just visited the ODM web site. A blank cost is $390 so how did you get the idea of same ball park? 9 hours ago, Water Dog said: Like I said, I was fortunate enough get my factory SME for $950 last fall. Christmas deals are a wonderful thing. So yes, for me, same ballpark. 8 hours ago, levari said: The pure math does not support you. Century SME Elite 11’3” blank $863 Century SME Elite rod -$1074 The difference is $211. ODM evolution 11’6” blank $390 ODM rod built with the same component as the SME elite: $390+$211= $601 $690 vs $950 far from being same ballpark.. Yes, as you were addressing and quoting me directly throughout this thread, for me, same ballpark… I paid just under $910 for my SME. Prior to getting the SME, I looked into getting an ODM Evolution built with a titanium guide train, I was quoted $925, not including me having to take the time to go drive over an hour each way and pick it up as it’s a one piece and not shippable. It’s weird how people share their experiences and you spend hours nit picking and doing mental gymnastics to try to refute their experiences with no first hand experience of your own on the matter (See the discussion on the upcharge for a lefty ZB). Like I mentioned earlier, very odd. Whatever makes you happy I guess… Seabassplug, Togatown, R.R. Bridge Fisher and 3 others 6 Hobie Power Skiff Fisherman Hobie Revolution 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmouthFisher Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 52 mins ago, levari said: I was not aware that the SME is equipped with the titanium guides until later in the thread. In that case the difference in the price is $174. Water Dog got a discount of 15% during the holidays. Most shops offer the same discount so you can assume that during the holidays the difference in the price will remain the same. Is $174 difference being considered as same ballpark? You decide. The difference for custom rods is significantly higher: $863 versus $390( price of blanks). I will be surprised if you can’t get a custom EVO built to your spec with Titanium guides for less than $900. Alright, I will concede. You got me. Water Dog thinking his $910 SME was somehow comparable to an EVO was totally off base, even though they retail for $900+. You’re right, somewhere somebody might sell one for less than $900. Makes Water Dog sound like a damn fool for such silly thoughts. Thanks for setting things straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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