Collecting native artifacts and arrowhead question

[stifftip]

It looks to me like a sand smooth rock from the glacier age   Btw if you want to look local try on the eastern side of scorton creek. Tory hills. Very private.  I was told by a Tory that there was a large Indian camp was there. And when they were excavating for new houses they uncovered huge amounts of artifacts. Mostly white and clear  quartz  stones and arrows n spear heads. But I don’t know where they disappear 

[Jeff270]

I found this while digging in one our flower beds.  Not sure if its just a rock or something cooler.

[Billwetzel]

Really interesting thread. I have only been at it for about 4 years here on Long Island and am a complete novice. I have found hundred of flacks and handful of scrapers and only 3 actual intact points. I have found that it’s exactly like fishing. When you first start out it’s very hard to read water. After a few years and lots of time reading water becomes second nature. Same way with reading land and hunting for them. As your confidence and knowledge increases things really start to come together. Not to mention awesome exercise for the fishing season! Here is a recent find in a field. Laying right on top. 

[R.R. Bridge Fisher]

A stone?

[Punch63]

My Dad. Found these arrowheads in S Dakota as a kid. Seem like a cool hobby to get into, I live in Plymouth, Ma. I'm sure there's plenty of cool arrowheads around here.

[stifftip]

Very cool a mix of quartz and slate great pieces 

[mikez2]

2 hours ago, Billwetzel said:

Really interesting thread. I have only been at it for about 4 years here on Long Island and am a complete novice. I have found hundred of flacks and handful of scrapers and only 3 actual intact points. I have found that it’s exactly like fishing. When you first start out it’s very hard to read water. After a few years and lots of time reading water becomes second nature. Same way with reading land and hunting for them. As your confidence and knowledge increases things really start to come together. Not to mention awesome exercise for the fishing season! Here is a recent find in a field. Laying right on top. 

When you're into the flakes, you're in a good spot. That's a place where they sat and made the tools. Basically a workshop. Most likely a village site. That's what you want.

[jmlandru]

On 3/16/2023 at 10:23 PM, mikez2 said:

There's a school of thought that makes comparisons to artifacts from North and south America and southern Europe. They suggest the similarities could mean humans crossed the Atlantic by boat to populate the new world. The first time.

Kon Tiki.

Thor Heyerdahl's ancestors conquered the Maya.

[mikez2]

3 mins ago, jmlandru said:

Kon Tiki.

Thor Heyerdahl's ancestors conquered the Maya.

I had it wrong apparently. The theory I was referring to actually suggests they crossed from France on pack ice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

[mikez2]

1 hour ago, jmlandru said:

Kon Tiki.

Thor Heyerdahl's ancestors conquered the Maya.

I'm not sure if your joking about kon Tiki but Thor Heyerdahl's ancestors were Norwegian. 

His journey was outbound from south America towards the Pacific islands in the 1940s.

 

His theory was that the Polynesian islands were populated from south America. It had nothing to do with Europeans having populated the new world. 

 

His theory has been mostly rejected by science today.

Edited March 19 by mikez2

[clambellies]

1 hour ago, mikez2 said:

I had it wrong apparently. The theory I was referring to actually suggests they crossed from France on pack ice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

Here's a pic of the book written by Dennis J Stanford.  Very interesting read and hypothesis, but so far DNA studies don't support the theory.

Edited March 19 by clambellies

[jmlandru]

I NEVER joke!

 

lol

[z-man]

Do any of you know your old glass bottles. There’s a metal and glass dump out in the woods where I hike and I’m wondering what time period it’s from. These are some broken ones with names we found this afternoon poking around with sticks. The blue/green top must have been something cool. 
 

[mikez2]

4 mins ago, z-man said:

Do any of you know your old glass bottles. There’s a metal and glass dump out in the woods where I hike and I’m wondering what time period it’s from. These are some broken ones with names we found this afternoon poking around with sticks. The blue/green top must have been something cool. 
 

Looks like a range of ages. 

The painted label probably is sometime from the 1940s on, at a guess, based on when painted labels became popular and how long they last in the ground. 

 

The other stuff could be older, possibly going back to the turn of the 20th century. 

 

The Pawtucket bottle looks to have a purplish tint. That type of glass was pretty well fazed out by the first world War, so that one suggests the early 1900s at the latest.

 

What you often find is that dump sites were used for decades. Generally speaking older stuff is deeper, newer on top.

However very few dumps have not been thoroughly dug, usually over and over. Bottle hunting took off in the 50s - 60s and has been going strong to this day. 

Once the diggers get at it, the stuff is all jumbled together. Stuff of all ages is mixed together. 

 

A bunch of broken stuff all over the surface with very few intact bottles often means a dug up spot. If it was dug long ago, the holes will not necessarily be evident while recently dug dumps look like a mine field from all the holes.

Sometimes you will find a bunch of intact bottles but they are the rejects left behind by the diggers. Common stuff of no value, "slicks" (no embossing) or more modern stuff are undesirable to hard-core diggers and they will leave them behind. 

 

There are ways to figure out the ages of the individual bottles or pieces but I've already gone too long to get into in depth.

In the case of the milk bottle and soda bottles, sometimes you can Google the company name to at least get a general time frame. 

[Sudsy]

5 hours ago, mikez2 said:

I'm not sure if your joking about kon Tiki but Thor Heyerdahl's ancestors were Norwegian. 

His journey was outbound from south America towards the Pacific islands in the 1940s.

 

His theory was that the Polynesian islands were populated from south America. It had nothing to do with Europeans having populated the new world. 

 

His theory has been mostly rejected by science today.

DNA ??