Eero nymphing.

[changed]

4 hours ago, slowroller said:

That’ll get it done. I switched from 5x to seagar 4# fluorocarbon for my tippet halfway through last season,  a 200 yard spool was around $25, works just as well as the fly specific floro that costs $15 for 30 yards. I’ll occasionally go to 6x floro for small gin clear alpine streams, but the seagar handles pretty much everything else. 

That’s actually what I use too. I still have a spool off the stuff that is 5x before they discontinued it. 

[dixie56]

Sorry to say, but euronymphing has nothing to do with fly fishing. Nufsaid.

[MikeK]

38 mins ago, dixie56 said:

Sorry to say, but euronymphing has nothing to do with fly fishing. Nufsaid.

So fishing nymphs with a perfect drag free drift is not fly fishing?  You could argue that it is not tradition fly casting, but it is definately fly fishing. 

 

To me indicator nymphing is akin to a kid fishing a bobber.  I would argue that euro nymphing is more pure than fishing an indie rig.

[mro]

6 mins ago, MikeK said:

indicator nymphing is akin to a kid fishing a bobber.

 

I agree, but guys using an indicator (bobber) catch more fish.

 

[1amson]

Maybe there being too many ways to skin the same cat is why so many people seem confused by/deterred from nymph fishing. Lol.  Feels like I stumble upon a new subcategory of euro nymphing every day, and every person that’s in-the-know seems to have a different opinion of what exactly each one is, leader/line concoctions, etc.

 

[MikeK]

4 hours ago, mro said:

 

I agree, but guys using an indicator (bobber) catch more fish.

 

Maybe than somebody who sucks at euro......

[stormy monday]

4 hours ago, mro said:

 

I agree, but guys using an indicator (bobber) catch more fish.

 

People who chum with canned corn catch more fish too, but is that really a good yardstick?

[dixie56]

16 hours ago, MikeK said:

So fishing nymphs with a perfect drag free drift is not fly fishing?  You could argue that it is not tradition fly casting, but it is definately fly fishing. 

 

To me indicator nymphing is akin to a kid fishing a bobber.  I would argue that euro nymphing is more pure than fishing an indie rig.

With euro-nymping you don’t cast a fly line, like fly fishing with a nymph. It’s just tossing your 3 rigged weighted nymphs in front of you, with a 10 or 11 ft. rod and wiggle a little bit with your line and watching at the indicators movement’s. 
Effective ? Sometimes. Has it something to do with fly fishing ? Absolutely NOT. 
I can do euro-nymping with a broom stick. Like Tenkara fishing. 
Fly fishing and casting (!) with one indicator, is completely different. 
Btw. euro-nymping is in some rivers not allowed in Europe. 

Edited March 11 by dixie56

[Mike Oliver]

I don’t see it as conventional fly fishing. But there is a line involved and in Spanish and French we reach out further to our fish. We can taper these mono lines and in fact we can buy surf tapered leaders that can be cast just like a 1 wt fly line. We are fishing nymphs and can cast dries to. 
Fishing indicators comes into the area of semantics for me. If we cast a floating plastic fly line upcurrent with a leader and a nymph on the leader and use the fly line as our visual indicator of a take then strictly speaking are we not indicator fishing. Then we have bits of fluff or indicator yarn at one end of the scale and large round bobbers at the other. Then we can use a dry fly as an indicator.

On lakes over near we have the bung. Google it up as just don’t want to talk about it.

Sports evolve. At one time our very own Mr Skues  was vilified for daring to fish nymphs upstream on English Chalkstreams and he would have cast an oiled silk line no indicator in sight. Excuse the pun. Then Mr Sawyer cast a nymph to fish that was mostly copper wire to get it down and takes were often as the result of inducement. Imagine that to Chalk Stream Trout as well as Grayling. Mr Halford of the exact imitation persuasion must have found that galling.

Got to love us Anglers for the way we view how we catch our quarry. Part of the magic for me.

mikey

[BeachBum818]

1 hour ago, dixie56 said:

 
Effective ? Sometimes. Has it something to do with fly fishing ? Absolutely NOT. 
I can do euro-nymping with a broom stick. Like Tenkara fishing. 
Fly fishing and casting with a indicator, is completely different. 
Euro-nymping is in some rivers not allowed in Europe. 

So you can bucktail with a broomstick? I'd like to see that. Nymph fishing is just bucktailing in freshwater. Extremely Effective

[puppet]

 

1 hour ago, dixie56 said:

I can do euro-nymping with a broom stick. Like Tenkara fishing. 

Sorry, this is a common misconception.  Tenkara is not euro nymphing, nor is it what most people think. A skilled tenkara angler can present just about anywhere in the water column and use any fly fishing technique.  Arguably with much more control and less disturbance.  

 

It is limited to lighter flies and also casting range, but other than that it can pretty much present as any fly fisher would want, with some additional manipulations that are tenkara specific.

[MikeK]

1 hour ago, dixie56 said:

With euro-nymping you don’t cast a fly line, like real fly fishing. It’s just tossing your 3 rigged weighted nymphs in front of you, with a 10 or 11 ft. rod and play a little bit with your line and look at the indicators movement’s. 
Effective ? Sometimes. Has it something to do with fly fishing ? Absolutely NOT. 
I can do euro-nymping with a broom stick. Like Tenkara fishing. 
Fly fishing and casting (!) with one indicator, is completely different. 
Euro-nymping is in some rivers not allowed in Europe. 

So is tenkura fly fishing then?

 

Also, you wouldn't catch sh*t euro nymphing with a broomstick.  The rod is one of the most important parts of the system. 

 

You should try it out sometimes.  You may learn that there is a more effective way to present a nymph and catch more fish.

 

If your one of those guys that likes to smoke a cigar while admiring you cast and doesn't really care about catching fish, well then carry on....

 

 

[surfflyguy]

Its effective whether or not its fly fishing is up for debate but some times i like using the drop shot rig keeps the nymphs off the bottom better helps alot if the river is weedy

[puppet]

I know that some will not consider it sporting or fly fishing unless it is a presented dry.  Might need to be smoking a pipe and carrying a creel too.

 

In general I dont care about such containers.  If it is defined as a fly pattern and the person is fishing with it,  it is fly fishing...even if the delivery system is a hand line.  If fishing with flies,  how else should we describe the activity?

[MikeK]

12 mins ago, puppet said:

I know that some will not consider it sporting or fly fishing unless it is a presented dry.  Might need to be smoking a pipe and carrying a creel too.

 

In general I dont care about such containers.  If it is defined as a fly pattern and the person is fishing with it,  it is fly fishing...even if the delivery system is a hand line.  If fishing with flies,  how else should we describe the activity?

I agree to some extent.  Trolling a tandem streamer on a lead core outfit is not fly fishing.  Neither is casting a fly behing a bubble or egg on a spinning outfit.

 

I think fishing a fly on a fly rod is fly fishing.  Doesn't matter if it's a tenkura or euro rod, as long as the reel is not used for delivering the fly. 

 

Also, completion FLY fishing is dominated by euro...