Subsidizing the Ukraine war gives us what?

[Gotcow?]

1 min ago, Dogfish Between Jetties said:

For the record, I hope the Russian military gets destroyed and is never a threat to the free world again.

As long as they have nukes they will be a threat to the free world.

 

If Russia ever decides to join the free world their threat will be greatly minimized.

[Nessmuk]

25 mins ago, Gotcow? said:

As long as they have nukes they will be a threat to the free world.

 

If Russia ever decides to join the free world their threat will be greatly minimized.

Democracy’s have generally promoted democratic change in other nations, because aside from it being civilized, Democracies, as a rule, compete peacefully and not by force.

[MainelySmallies]

2 hours ago, Jim McFeeley said:

Ukraine is basically a mini Russia and many of us have been fooled into believing its some fledgling democracy . 

If they didn't have oil and gas resources we wouldn't even be there. Choke on that 

Right. I am fine with sending military support within reason. I think so far we’ve come away with a lot of goodies from this war which I’ve mentioned in the other Ukraine thread. But I have zero patience for the “Ukraine is the front lines of the war for democracy!” talk. Ukraine is not a democracy; it is a corrupt oligarchy. And you know what, that’s fine! We support many sh*tbird countries (eg Saudia Arabia) that we need or want things from. But I detest this fantasy both Republican and Democratic hawks are peddling that Ukraine is a great bastion of Western democracy that we are duty-bound to save. It’s preposterous.

[Long Wader]

Biden promised he would not send our military people to Ukraine, but they are already there doing technical support and running the Patriot missile system and more will be needed to run and maintain the Abrams M-1 tanks. Lies lies and more lies from the Brandon Regime.

 

We supposedly need to spend billions to protect the borders of corrupt Kleptocrats running Ukraine while we utterly fail to defend our own border.

Edited Wednesday at 02:36 PM by Long Wader

[Keltan]

1 hour ago, Dogfish Between Jetties said:

For the record, I hope the Russian military gets destroyed and is never a threat to the free world again.

You forget that they have some *nasty* rocket ? What do you think they will do if what you * wish* happen ?

[Keltan]

On 1/24/2023 at 1:24 AM, Gotcow? said:

Being as we are subsidizing Ukraine's war effort what are we getting for our subsidy?

 

More war or less war?

 

Let's face the fact that we are carrying the bulk of the military support for Ukraine to keep fighting.

 

Should we be leveraging our subsidy to end the war and to seek a peaceful compromise end to the conflict?

Domination over the world is in the minds of those who pull the strings in the US. Russia and China are against it. Now they want to break up Russia so that they can do something with China. But their plan is not going exactly as it should, I just don't know how far they are ready to go................

They don't give ****  for democracy. They will team up with the devil to achieve what they  wants

Edited Wednesday at 04:05 PM by Keltan

[BrianBM]

13 hours ago, KarpsnKatz said:

If any sort of negotiations for a cease fire were to take place, it's abundantly clear that Biden won't have a seat at the table. Such is the price to be paid for childishly using Putin and Russia as a political punching bag, first as a boogie man to explain away the rejection by the voters of Hillary in 2016, and then to assail the character of President Trump by labeling him as some sort of "Kremlin asset". Throw in Biden sending an endless flow of money and hardware to Ukraine, and there you have it. Any negotiations will have to be brokered by someone else, which of course runs the risk of that "someone" being less than friendly towards us, and by default as a result, Ukrainian interests.

There's a confirmation in this post that probably wasn't intended. The issue here is not the money, it's not the risk of an expanded war with Russia, it's .... Biden. He took away our beloved Trump, damn him, so naturally anything Biden does just has to be wrong, awful, bad, and therefore we must oppose it.

[Long Wader]

10 mins ago, BrianBM said:

There's a confirmation in this post that probably wasn't intended. The issue here is not the money, it's not the risk of an expanded war with Russia, it's .... Biden. He took away our beloved Trump, damn him, so naturally anything Biden does just has to be wrong, awful, bad, and therefore we must oppose it.

No wars were started during the Trump years and as soon as Trump was out our Government and Brandon regime went from no new wars to starting a cold war and then a hot war.

 

Suxs that Trump was dead on accurate about our establishment and military complex.

 

How about Brandon's promise that our troops would never go Ukraine.  He broke that promise in short order and lied about it.

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:18 PM by Long Wader

[BrianBM]

On 1/24/2023 at 9:12 AM, KarpsnKatz said:

It’s pretty much a given that Ukraine isn’t going to win. A settlement will have to happen sooner or later. How many lives will Biden have to sacrifice to prove whatever his point is before that happens?

If only we could cut Ukraine (and Europe) loose, and let Russia occupy it. Then the lives lost would be taken by Russia's Interior Ministry police and the FIS. People would disappear, the Gulag would have a full supply of prisoners in the work camps. The use of the of the Ukrainian language would be banned, as it is in those parts of Ukraine that Russia currently occupies. Those traitorous clerics that separated the Ukrainian Church from the Moscow Patriarchate would be shot, along with anyone offering resistance to the Kremlin's benevolent rule. THEN we could get back to expanding the deficit with tax cuts at the high end, the way of the GOP since Ronald Reagan.

 

Spending money to pre-empt a war in Europe that would see Russia and America at war directly is such a waste.

Edited Wednesday at 05:26 PM by BrianBM
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[BrianBM]

On 1/24/2023 at 9:29 AM, Maine Guide said:

Putin is quick to exploit weak American “Leaders”. Same with Xi. 
 

Putin invaded during Obama and immediately once Biden got into office. 
 

He didn’t invade anyone between 2017-2021. I wonder why?

 

Of course he didn't. Arming separatists is not an invasion. Providing military training, that's not an invasion. Stiffening the separatists with 30,000 Little Green Men to help them fight, that's not an invasion. Really, it's just a ... a .... something, but really it's a tribute to how frightened Putin was of losing Trump's adoration. Not at all an invasion, according to you.

 

On 1/24/2023 at 9:29 AM, Maine Guide said:

Biden’s war on fossil fuels made Russia’s funding of their invasion even easier. 

 

On 1/24/2023 at 9:29 AM, Maine Guide said:

 

There is no such thing as global warming. The world needs to stay dependent on our ever-reliable friends in the Middle East. Superstorms are really good for us, as are warming temperatures. So are trace amounts, in increasing quantities, of mercury and heavy metals. Heck, swordfish aren't even that good to eat.

 

On 1/24/2023 at 9:29 AM, Maine Guide said:

 

Good job Democrats. 
 

This will be another endless war with hundreds of billions of borrowed US tax dollars wasted while Europe sits on their hands and laughs. 
 

When will we learn?

When will you?

[BrianBM]

On 1/24/2023 at 9:53 AM, Gotcow? said:

Good luck getting them there once that fight starts.

On this point, I agree.

[BrianBM]

19 hours ago, TimS said:

Brian has Putin marching on NYC if he isn't stopped soon enough

 

Brian thinks Putin would like the Baltics as a starting point. Brian thinks this because Putin has said so. Brian would like to know how you, or anyone, can conclude that Putin is just kidding.

[BrianBM]

19 hours ago, TimS said:

We aren't fighting Russia...remember?

 

I do remember. We arm Ukraine to avoid fighting Russia, us vs. them, directly.

[BrianBM]

18 hours ago, TimS said:

Nothing to see here....I'm sure she was just taking it to buy weapons or something and bring them back to fight the good fight  

She looks hot.

[TimS]

20 mins ago, BrianBM said:

There's a confirmation in this post that probably wasn't intended. The issue here is not the money, it's not the risk of an expanded war with Russia, it's .... Biden. He took away our beloved Trump, damn him, so naturally anything Biden does just has to be wrong, awful, bad, and therefore we must oppose it.

Nonsense, Brian - the entire world - many of whom would never vote for Trump - see what a clown show Brandon is. They see that he’s mentally unfit for office. They watch him shake hands with ghosts, mumble like a mental patient and call Kamila ‘President Harris’. You seem to be stuck on some caricature of people that see what an incompetent fool Brandon is not liking him because he ‘beat’ Trump. For someone that portends to be a deep thinker, it’s incredibly weird for you to pretend Brandon isn’t obviously suffering serious mental decline. The world doesn’t need a senile old man puppet running the United States right now. It literally has nothing to do with Trump.