Matt T. Posted December 15, 2022 Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) I’m putting together some content on how long casting actually effects catch rates, and I’m looking for opinions of surf anglers who can actually cast baits far for an informed comparison to fishing the first trough (short range). Do you personally catch more or bigger fish, on average, at long range? Please include your first name, no. of years surf fishing/long casting experience, and your most frequented fishing spot (e.g.: Outer Banks, FL East Coast, Montauk, etc.). Thanks in advance! Edited December 15, 2022 by Matt T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachBob Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 As mentioned at P&S ... For the most part, but not always, the bigger fishies want deeper water. Case in point are sharks - they're typically smaller in the 1st sandbar trough as opposed to the 2nd and 3rd. But not always. Stripers and blues will go wherever the bait fish are, sometimes right up to the shoreline in the white water. But not always. There are no hard absolutes in fishing, just generalizations. The ability to throw out a really long cast can mean the difference between frustrating exercise and catching fish. When the predators are herding bait fish 100 yards out, yer casting prowess will dictate watching or catching. Knowing yer tackle and having the casting technique skills to go 100 yards or lots more is a huge advantage sooner or later for the surfcaster. sytheteacher and pcbtightlines 2 The only government I trust is the .45-70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf bomber Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 If you can’t reach the fish your not going to catch them … distance is critical when fishing from the beech … and accuracy is a must when fishing the close in lips, troughs and jetty’s… your always better to be prepared then not … however distance and accuracy depends on tackle , technique and strength …. You can’t buy distance … and you can’t be performing a pendulum cast with people /sun bathers on the beech … sooo practice safety and try your tackle on a field with a basic hatteras cast and that will tell you what your capable of throwing… once you add bait, feathers that distance will decrease …. pcbtightlines and Matt T. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearGuy Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 I'm fishing for sea trout from the shore in Denmark, and being able to cast a long cast is sometimes critical - but not always. Right now I'm trying to reach 100 meters with my 9"3 Daiwa Morethan and a Daiwa Steez 21 Limited SV TW 1000. I'm doing quite well but need to ad about 10 meters to where I am now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.R. Bridge Fisher Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, GearGuy said: I'm fishing for sea trout from the shore in Denmark, and being able to cast a long cast is sometimes critical - but not always. Right now I'm trying to reach 100 meters with my 9"3 Daiwa Morethan and a Daiwa Steez 21 Limited SV TW 1000. I'm doing quite well but need to ad about 10 meters to where I am now! We all would like 10 meters GearGuy and fishhawkxxx 2 troll #122 <*)))< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf bomber Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Go to a 12 foot rod suited to the weight your throwing and it should get you there … to throw 2 oz over a hundred measured meters is good … To throw over 110-120 measured meters from a basic hatteras cast may have to go up in weight … it’s going to take some juice, technique to get it that far … remember you can’t buy distance … and always have fun … lol lol lol GearGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachBob Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, GearGuy said: I'm fishing for sea trout from the shore in Denmark, and being able to cast a long cast is sometimes critical - but not always. Right now I'm trying to reach 100 meters with my 9"3 Daiwa Morethan and a Daiwa Steez 21 Limited SV TW 1000. I'm doing quite well but need to ad about 10 meters to where I am now! Your tackle is a short rod for surf coupled with a low profile level wind bait caster, and that outfit might be of distance concern. What casting technique are you using? What line type and test strength is on that reel? What payload weight are you casting? Is the payload a lure or weight-&-bait (looking to understand its physical size)? GearGuy 1 The only government I trust is the .45-70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearGuy Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Casting technique: Well - I believe I'm using what you call the Overhand Hatteras Cast. Line type and strenght: I'm using the German Climax Carat 12, o,15 mm. Strength is 12,8 kg. Payload: I'm casting a Savage Gear, LT Seeker 24 grams. However - when I will try to reach the 100 meters I'll be using a casting plug in the same weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcallaham Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 I just looked at that reel on Diawa's web site. Nice!! Don't let anyone tell you that the level wind is hurting your distance. Have you played with the cast controls? A longer rod may help. There are a few videos on Youtube, casting 18-gram plugs over 100 meters. But the rods and reels used are not for fishing. GearGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachBob Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) A level wind will ALWAYS cause some measure of undue friction and be a limiting factor for distance. Doesn't matter whether the LW travels or is stationary. Doesn't mean that it won't hit a specific target distance either - there are many factors to consider. GearGuy, a 24g payload (just shy of an ounce) will need a compatible rod for such a light weight. You already have .15mm (.006") braid line. Perhaps try an aerialized version of the Hatteras cast ... Edited January 13 by BeachBob GearGuy and sytheteacher 2 The only government I trust is the .45-70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearGuy Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 BeachBob: A level wind will ALWAYS cause some measure of undue friction and be a limiting factor for distance. Doesn't matter whether the LW travels or is stationary. Doesn't mean that it won't hit a specific target distance either - there are many factors to consider. If you put the Daiwa Level Wind in the middle position and make a cast the friction is only very very little. I know - it also depends on the width of the spool. But I think Daiwa has made a very fine level wind mechanism on this reel. Jcallaham: I just looked at that reel on Diawa's web site. Nice!! Don't let anyone tell you that the level wind is hurting your distance. Have you played with the cast controls? A longer rod may help. There are a few videos on Youtube, casting 18-gram plugs over 100 meters. But the rods and reels used are not for fishing. Yeah - it's a hell of a reel. Yes I have adjusted the cast controls to maximize my distance. About the short rod - well, I want to reach the 100 with exactly this rod and reel - just to see if it is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.R. Bridge Fisher Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 What's the thoughts on the daiwa with the t-wing system? troll #122 <*)))< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachBob Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 GearGuy - achieving distance will always start with casting technique, the rest is up to the harmony of your tackle; the rod, the line, the reel, the payload weight, it is what it is. ExcessiveAngler and pcbtightlines 2 The only government I trust is the .45-70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf bomber Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 At this point get it on a field and measure the distance… not the line it bows with the breeze … then you will know what it is and what isn’t … to throw less than 1 oz ,straight led not a plug or lure using a hatteras cast , a measured 100 yards would be an awesome toss using what you have ….the casters who are throwing 125, 150 grams the distance they are achieving are using much different equipment and pendulum casts … and you will not find a level wind throwing that distance … fd4mcola, BeachBob and ExcessiveAngler 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sytheteacher Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Not to brag I can cast about 45 yards on a good day with the wind behind me.. But I am always catching Blues, Stripers and Weak fish.... fd4mcola 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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