KNOT preference for direct tie with 200# mono?

[flyangler]

16 mins ago, Hook I said:

#200 why ? 

As previously stated, abrasion resistance, when working around structure in your targeting jacks. Also, while not perfect, if a black tip should take a plug at least a 200 would provide better abrasion resistance compared to the 50 that I would normally fish. 200 pound mono is not going to protect from the teeth of a black tip, but that’s not the point, otherwise you would use wire. The issue with those particular sharks is their ability to jump out of the water, and then roll themselves on the leader, with their abrasive skin. So not a perfect set up, but a compromise that accomplishes a couple of different things.

 

Alternatively, run a foot of wire off of a heavy leader to keep the whole thing to 5 feet or so. Some purist will argue that the wire interferes with the action of a swimming plug in to a lesser extent a popper. I don’t necessarily subscribe to that because if sharks coming after a popper is really not going to care if it’s only popping 95%  of its capability because of the wire versus 100. Hot fish are hot fish. 

Edited December 10, 2022 by flyangler

[Hook I]

20 mins ago, flyangler said:

As previously stated, abrasion resistance, when working around structure in your targeting jacks. Also, while not perfect, if a black tip should take a plug at least a 200 would provide better abrasion resistance compared to the 50 that I would normally fish. 200 pound mono is not going to protect from the teeth of a black tip, but that’s not the point, otherwise you would use wire. The issue with those particular sharks is their ability to jump out of the water, and then roll themselves on the leader, with their abrasive skin. So not a perfect set up, but a compromise that accomplishes a couple of different things.

 

Alternatively, run a foot of wire off of a heavy liter to keep the whole thing to 5 feet or so. Some purist will argue that the wire interferes with the action of a swimming plug in to a lesser extent a popper. I don’t necessarily subscribe to that because if sharks coming after a popper is really not going to care if it’s only popping 95%  of its capability because of the wire versus 100. Hot fish are hot fish. 

I understand you concerns , from my experience fishing in the Caribbean I used a “SHORT “ wire  leader less than 12” for top water poppers , the shorter that leader including floro which I use always , does not interfere with action including subsurface arties . As I’m sitting it’s 23 degrees , if I can go

outside to my fishing shed ( if it’s still there ) ill get the name of the wire I used back then . 
For casting and retrieving crimp would be ok but since you wanted a knot I know but not all knots are appropriate for #200 , improved clinch works well when I used #100 back then 

 

it hit me Knot 2 Kinky goes to 100lbs 

hope this helps 

Edited December 10, 2022 by Hook I

[flyangler]

22 mins ago, Hook I said:

I understand you concerns , from my experience fishing in the Caribbean I used a “SHORT “ wire  leader less than 12” for top water poppers , the shorter that leader including floro which I use always , does not interfere with action including subsurface arties . As I’m sitting it’s 23 degrees , if I can go

outside to my fishing shed ( if it’s still there ) ill get the name of the wire I used back then . 
For casting and retrieving crimp would be ok but since you wanted a knot I know but not all knots are appropriate for #200 , improved clinch works well when I used #100 back then 

 

it hit me Knot 2 Kinky goes to 100lbs 

hope this helps 

That is a interesting point. Typically the decision is single, strand, brown wire, versus multi strand, nylon code, neither of which is a perfect solution. The single strand is stiff and canon. Hibbett, Laura action and the nylon coded stranded doesn’t hold up as well to toothy sharks, a single street.

 

 Regarding Knot 2 Kinky, I actually have some of that in what I think is 20 pound test that I use as fly rod leader while chasing something toothy like Spanish macs or bluefish. I have not considered that product in the thicker varieties, but I think I may have to buy a roll of it and check it out. 

[Hook I]

6 mins ago, flyangler said:

That is a interesting point. Typically the decision is single, strand, brown wire, versus multi strand, nylon code, neither of which is a perfect solution. The single strand is stiff and canon. Hibbett, Laura action and the nylon coded stranded doesn’t hold up as well to toothy sharks, a single street.

 

 Regarding Knot 2 Kinky, I actually have some of that in what I think is 20 pound test that I use as fly rod leader while chasing something toothy like Spanish macs or bluefish. I have not considered that product in the thicker varieties, but I think I may have to buy a roll of it and check it out. 

It’s an important subject and test trial and error and a lost fish 

will tell . Let’s get on them and a comeback report . Thanks Merry Christmas 

[flyangler]

So Dany is a friend of a friend, the latter I refer to as The Jack Whisperer. Dany catches many big jacks and tarpon, mostly at night. Several of his Instagram posts with a focus on the knots, all open loop knots in heavy mono. Could be a non-slip loop knot, except the cuda photo which looks like it could be direct. 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by flyangler

[Joe Paranee]

Braid to flouro fog knot 

 

flouro to swivel Palomar knot 

 

split ring to lure 

[Popasilov]

I would go with what ever Dany says

38 mins ago, flyangler said:

So Dany is a friend of a friend,

Looks like Dany has few things to back up his knot preferences.

 

[snapper1]

7 hours ago, Joe Paranee said:

Braid to flouro fog knot 

 

flouro to swivel Palomar knot 

 

split ring to lure 

I do the same but a palomar with 200 lbs is not an easy task...I've done it with 100...

Cheers

[DaveC]

2 or 3 turn clinch, not improved.  If it lands 500 pound rays it will land your fish no problem.  No glue, no crimps needed.

[Snook_Slayr]

Just do yourself a favor and try tying the legutki loop with 200-300lb leader at home 

[J Adams]

San Diego jamb knot 

[valentine]

I love threads like this because it proves that there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

Plus, there’s always something new to learn.

Uni-Knot hasn’t let me down yet.

Also, I’ve been using the Centauri  knot with great success for a while but I didn’t even know that it had a name.

Edited December 15, 2022 by valentine

[J Adams]

San Diego jamb knot has been the go to knot for trolling madmacs for 200+ pound BFT tied straight to the lure,although crimping will always be stronger (if done properly) but crimping can hinder the lures performance depending on how and what lure is used. 

[scoobydoo]

On 12/8/2022 at 3:32 PM, flyangler said:

Question may seem basic but becoming important as I try to move away from using TA clips with big poppers like those shown. 

 

What is your preferred knot for connecting 150-200# hard mono leader to the nose of a popper or attached split-ring? Rigging is 14K reel with 65# braid connected by FG to 200# mono. Given the 65#, the terminal knot does NOT have to be close to 100% strength, in theory even 50% covers the braid. The key is a tight connection to the plug to maximize water throw. 

 

I have zero experience tying 200# with a tight knot, having used crimps in the past. Loop knot won't work with mono that thick - even if you could tighten it, the knot will remain an open loop, sloppy connection. 

 

This is a question often asked about giant trevalleys and the like because of their size and power. In this case, large jack crevalle in structure and the need for a heavy fray leader. Also, where the big JCs are, the blacktip sharks can be also, thus a bite leader just in case. Though when poppers are rigged intentionally for sharks, we use 300-400# mono and that requires crips. 

 

So clinch? regular or improved? 

palomar?

uni?

SD jam?

figure 8?

joe miller? 

 

Yeah, lame question but I am interested in what people are actually using. Especially any of you tuna and GT anglers. 

 

 

Joe miller or Centaur.

 

Joe miller is great

[scoobydoo]

On 12/8/2022 at 10:07 PM, KarpsnKatz said:

If it hasn't been mentioned already, check out the "Triple O" Knot.

Sounds like the centaur......wrap around finger and standing line 3 x 

Then pass tag throug the o"s

 

Then pull O's off finger.