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19 mins ago, KnewBee said:

Nope.

 

44 U.S. Code § 2203 - Management and custody of Presidential records

U.S. Code

(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

(b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.

(c) During the President’s term of office, the President may dispose of those Presidential records of such President that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value if—(1)

the President obtains the views, in writing, of the Archivist concerning the proposed disposal of such Presidential records; and

(2) the Archivist states that the Archivist does not intend to take any action under subsection (e) of this section.

(d) In the event the Archivist notifies the President under subsection (c) that the Archivist does intend to take action under subsection (e), the President may dispose of such Presidential records if copies of the disposal schedule are submitted to the appropriate Congressional Committees at least 60 calendar days of continuous session of Congress in advance of the proposed disposal date. For the purpose of this section, continuity of session is broken only by an adjournment of Congress sine die, and the days on which either House is not in session because of an adjournment of more than three days to a day certain are excluded in the computation of the days in which Congress is in continuous session.

(e)The Archivist shall request the advice of the Committee on Rules and Administration and the Committee on Governmental Affairs of the Senate and the Committee on House Oversight and the Committee on Government Operations of the House of Representatives with respect to any proposed disposal of Presidential records whenever the Archivist considers that—(1)

these particular records may be of special interest to the Congress; or

(2) consultation with the Congress regarding the disposal of these particular records is in the public interest.

(f) During a President’s term of office, the Archivist may maintain and preserve Presidential records on behalf of the President, including records in digital or electronic form. The President shall remain exclusively responsible for custody, control, and access to such Presidential records. The Archivist may not disclose any such records, except under direction of the President, until the conclusion of a President’s term of office, if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, or such other period provided for under section 2204 of this title.

(g)(1)

Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.

(2)

The Archivist shall deposit all such Presidential records in a Presidential archival depository or another archival facility operated by the United States. The Archivist is authorized to designate, after consultation with the former President, a director at each depository or facility, who shall be responsible for the care and preservation of such records.

(3)

When the President considers it practicable and in the public interest, the President shall include in the President’s budget transmitted to Congress, for each fiscal year in which the term of office of the President will expire, such funds as may be necessary for carrying out the authorities of this subsection.

(4)

The Archivist is authorized to dispose of such Presidential records which the Archivist has appraised and determined to have insufficient administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value to warrant their continued preservation. Notice of such disposal shall be published in the Federal Register at least 60 days in advance of the proposed disposal date. Publication of such notice shall constitute a final agency action for purposes of review under chapter 7 of title 5, United States Code.

If you continue to read:

 

"b) Adverse Actions- The intentional violation of subsection (a) by a covered employee (including any rules, regulations, or other implementing guidelines), as determined by the appropriate supervisor, shall be a basis for disciplinary action in accordance with subchapter I, II, or V of chapter 75 of title 5, as the case may be.

(c) Definitions.—In this section:

(1) COVERED EMPLOYEE- The term `covered employee' means--

(A) the immediate staff of the President;

(B) the immediate staff of the Vice President;

(C) a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President; and

(D) a unit or individual of the Office of the Vice President whose function is to advise and assist the Vice President."

 

Subchapter I,II and V (disciplinary actions) deal with employee suspension. No mention of criminality worthy of a raid.

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16 mins ago, KnewBee said:

Nope.

 

44 U.S. Code § 2203 - Management and custody of Presidential records

U.S. Code

(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.

(b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.

(c) During the President’s term of office, the President may dispose of those Presidential records of such President that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value if—(1)

the President obtains the views, in writing, of the Archivist concerning the proposed disposal of such Presidential records; and

(2) the Archivist states that the Archivist does not intend to take any action under subsection (e) of this section.

(d) In the event the Archivist notifies the President under subsection (c) that the Archivist does intend to take action under subsection (e), the President may dispose of such Presidential records if copies of the disposal schedule are submitted to the appropriate Congressional Committees at least 60 calendar days of continuous session of Congress in advance of the proposed disposal date. For the purpose of this section, continuity of session is broken only by an adjournment of Congress sine die, and the days on which either House is not in session because of an adjournment of more than three days to a day certain are excluded in the computation of the days in which Congress is in continuous session.

(e)The Archivist shall request the advice of the Committee on Rules and Administration and the Committee on Governmental Affairs of the Senate and the Committee on House Oversight and the Committee on Government Operations of the House of Representatives with respect to any proposed disposal of Presidential records whenever the Archivist considers that—(1)

these particular records may be of special interest to the Congress; or

(2) consultation with the Congress regarding the disposal of these particular records is in the public interest.

(f) During a President’s term of office, the Archivist may maintain and preserve Presidential records on behalf of the President, including records in digital or electronic form. The President shall remain exclusively responsible for custody, control, and access to such Presidential records. The Archivist may not disclose any such records, except under direction of the President, until the conclusion of a President’s term of office, if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, or such other period provided for under section 2204 of this title.

(g)(1)

Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.

(2)

The Archivist shall deposit all such Presidential records in a Presidential archival depository or another archival facility operated by the United States. The Archivist is authorized to designate, after consultation with the former President, a director at each depository or facility, who shall be responsible for the care and preservation of such records.

(3)

When the President considers it practicable and in the public interest, the President shall include in the President’s budget transmitted to Congress, for each fiscal year in which the term of office of the President will expire, such funds as may be necessary for carrying out the authorities of this subsection.

(4)

The Archivist is authorized to dispose of such Presidential records which the Archivist has appraised and determined to have insufficient administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value to warrant their continued preservation. Notice of such disposal shall be published in the Federal Register at least 60 days in advance of the proposed disposal date. Publication of such notice shall constitute a final agency action for purposes of review under chapter 7 of title 5, United States Code.

That simply describes the document preservation process.

Much material was already returned to the National Archives last year though a mutual process.

The best thing that the d's could do to lose 2022 and 2024 on a large scale would be to charge Trump.

Most honest liberals would see this as an abuse of power.

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, slowroller said:

Where are you guys coming up with this nonsense that a lawyer for the party being served a search warrant be present?

You should reread those posts as nobody said a lawyer had to be present :dismay: 

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Posted (edited)

Looks like I missed a great exchange on this thread yesterday while I shot clays and took my boat out at Homassasa. 
 

In the end, one has to ask themselves what America they personally want to live in. One where the Party in power  uses the justice system and it’s enforcement arms to do pre dawn armed raids on peace loving civilians that politically are opposites? Or a America where the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the separation of powers, and the same impartial justice system applies to all! I choose the latter! Which means I am against a Party that violates any and all of the values described above. This means I don’t and wont ever vote for a Democrat for any office. I personally think the Democrats are terminally infected with a cancer that’s sole objective is to destroy the values American patriots have died to preserve  for centuries. 
 

Also there is a issue in our educational systems for certain specific degrees that establishes core beliefs that are parasitical to others for their own personal wealth and power. This also should be deeply investigated and corrected if we really want to remove the root cause to the issue we have today. A educational system that promotes truth, equal justice for all, and the American way to be cliché. 
 

There is no way any American would tolerate a armed raid and items removed from their property without anyone able to witness the process from the defendants side. I can see a raid on a violent criminal who is suspected of violent crimes. But not a non-violent citizen who is suspected of being in possession of documents? This is America not some third world dictator run cesspool where their power is maintained by the use of judicial enforcement arms of the government. 
 

Anyone who does not have issues with a Judicial arm being a biased enforcement arm of a Political Party in power has no understanding of our founding fathers intentions in our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. 

Edited by Jim DE

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Posted (edited)

17 hours ago, Bass2Snook said:

No, raiding someone’s house is conducted under standard procedure. The status of the resident shouldn’t have any play.

Nor should you conduct a raid because of who the person is.   This stinks plain and simple

Edited by puff tentacle

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2 hours ago, Wayne Tj said:

I heard on the morning radio that the WH is claiming they knew nothing about the search beforehand. I find that very hard to believe that the DOJ would not inform the president that they were going to search the former president’s residence. 
 

Pelos’s comment was a sentence and inaudible to me in a moving vehicle. First impression was that she sounded like she had something to hide. 

 


Bald-faced lie.  Absolute falsehood.  The FBI DID NOT raid the home of a former US President without the approval of the current President.  No way, no day.

 

Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler all knew, as a minimum.  Anyone who believes otherwise as a flat-out moron.

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5 mins ago, Nessmuk said:


Bald-faced lie.  Absolute falsehood.  The FBI DID NOT raid the home of a former US President without the approval of the current President.  No way, no day.

 

Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler all knew, as a minimum.  Anyone who believes otherwise as a flat-out moron.

Whole lot of morons out there.

 

Whole lot of morons right here in this forum.

 

They should be along shortly to tell you why you're wrong.

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Just now, Gotcow? said:

Whole lot of morons out there.

 

Whole lot of morons right here in this forum.

 

They should be along shortly to tell you why you're wrong.


Let em.  It’ll just be their newest “I’m stupid” poster.  You’d think at some point they’d get insulted by their leaders displaying total disrespect for their intelligence, but I guess that just means their leaders are right.

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1 hour ago, puff tentacle said:

Were those investigations anything like the  the ones they conducted for voter fraud 

GOP led under Trump. I guess you weren't paying attention

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The Dems have sealed the deal on this Nov ‘22 elections and have motivated their opposition. The methods and tactics used at Trumps home no matter what information it produces will not be believed that what they found they themselves did not fabricate and falsify. They want to make a point and use any means they can to do it which in this situation just bleeds validity issues and cannot be ultimately proven in a fair court of law. What unquestionable proof can they present when items were taken without the defendants representative witnessing? Prove exhibit A came from the Trumps  residence beyond a shadow of a doubt? They can’t! For being so called intelligent lawyers they are down right stupid about securing undeniable evidence. One could not fire a employee and make it stick with a labor board with evidence obtained the way the FBI preformed yesterday. But as in the Russia Russia, Russia BS the Dems know they don’t have to prove chit just make others believe it is true to obtain their objectives. Lie 3 time and their Parties members think it’s a biblical fact.

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13 hours ago, TimS said:

So people on the right want to kill everyone on the left? You just keep getting weirder :beers:

 

personal and antagonistic. This is the stuff we're trying to clean up in here. If you are unable to participate in discussions without being hurtful please refrain from commenting or take it to the outpost

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This seems like it could have been easily avoided if Trump simply had not removed documents or handed them over when asked.

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6 mins ago, Joe said:

GOP led under Trump. I guess you weren't paying attention

I pay attention all the time , I surely don’t need you to point anything  out to me. 

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