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Defining Centrism- What is a Political Moderate?

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16 mins ago, Nessmuk said:


Funny.  It’s been on the ballots for decades.  “Independent.”  I.e. belonging to no established political party.

 

Because on is progressive, and the other is…”moderate..”

 

And I thought you told me you were far right and didn’t hide that fact. I thought it was you. Wasn’t it? Now you are independent? 

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13 mins ago, Tailslap said:

Anti government types have high jacked the term independent as of late. That’s not what the term independent ever meant in my lifetime. 
 

Now apparently we have moderate independent and anti government independent. Two very different things. 
 

Didn’t you tell me you were far right a while back and you didn’t hide that fact. Now you claim to be independent?  Which is it. 


Um….  I don’t really know how to fix this for you.  
 

If a Socialist quits the Democrat party because they haven’t pushed enough free money, is he not a far left independent?

 

 

You really are conflating moderate and independent,  Sorry.  Not the same.

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3 mins ago, Nessmuk said:


Um….  I don’t really know how to fix this for you.  
 

If a Socialist quits the Democrat party because they haven’t pushed enough free money, is he not a far left independent?

 

 

You really are conflating moderate and independent,  Sorry.  Not the same.

I think of moderate independents as close to center willing to vote either way. Third party independents like Ross Perot is not what I was talking about but I get your point. 
 

And you didn’t answer my question about you saying you were far right. That was you. Right?

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13 mins ago, Tailslap said:

I thought you told me you were far right and didn’t hide that fact. I thought it was you. Wasn’t it? Now you are independent? 


 

I am just what I said I was.  By todays standards I am far right.  What’s more, I am a independent.  There are no parties that represent my views, and I am a member of no party.  I am, by US election standards and definition, an “independent.”

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2 mins ago, Nessmuk said:


 

I am just what I said I was.  By todays standards I am far right.  What’s more, I am a independent.  There are no parties that represent my views, and I am a member of no party.  I am, by US election standards and definition, an “independent.”

I will just say moderate instead of moderate independent for now on. How’s that. So we don’t confuse our independents. 

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34 mins ago, Nessmuk said:


You’re confusing objectivity with political neutrality.  I have objectively evaluated issues like fiscal policy and after long years of consideration and without caring what any political party thinks, have come to know that progressive fiscal and social policies will destroy us.  I have no political leadership, I have my own eyes.  

Social liberalism will destroy us? Sharia law is the extreme of social conservatism. Is that a better way? Thank God for compromise. I don't want to live in Sodom and Gomorrah, nor under Sharia law, or even extreme Christian social values.

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3 mins ago, Tailslap said:

 

And you didn’t answer my question about you saying you were far right. That was you. Right?


:laugh:

 

You think being far right is something I should be ashamed of?  Because I would phase out All entitlement spending and force people to support themselves?  Because I would SLASH the size and authority of government back to where is was practiced in 1790?  Or maybe just because I’m not so ridiculous as to believe people can actually change their gender?

 

Yeah.  Shameful.  The audacity of rejecting decades of failed, self-destructive policy.

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different variations IMO
 

Socially liberal, fiscally conservative 

 

Some who is an issue by issue person

i.e. - takes stances that are all over the political spectrum 

 

 

 

 

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16 mins ago, Gamakatsu said:

Social liberalism will destroy us? Sharia law is the extreme of social conservatism. Is that a better way? Thank God for compromise. I don't want to live in Sodom and Gomorrah, nor under Sharia law, or even extreme Christian social values.


Oh don’t be ridiculous.

 

Forcing people to support themselves is not sharia law.   Taking away the government’s ability to redistribute wealth is not sharia law.  Stripping progressive of the fiscal tools they’ve used to destroy the people of the inner cities is not sharia law.  Fighting for Constitutional rights is not sharia law.  Refusing to allow women to be robbed of opportunities by sick men is not sharia law.  And to be clear about your analogy….I’m an ATHEIST.

 

You want to know what looks more like sharia law fanatics than people wanting to end welfare?

 

How about this?

 

 

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17 mins ago, Nessmuk said:


:laugh:

 

You think being far right is something I should be ashamed of?  Because I would phase out All entitlement spending and force people to support themselves?  Because I would SLASH the size and authority of government back to where is was practiced in 1790?  Or maybe just because I’m not so ridiculous as to believe people can actually change their gender?

 

Yeah.  Shameful.  The audacity of rejecting decades of failed, self-destructive policy.

I never said it was something to be ashamed of. Stop making chit up. 
What I want to know is do you only vote for the GOP or do you sprinkle in some third party candidates. 

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Just now, Tailslap said:

I never said it was something to be ashamed of. Stop making chit up. 
What I want to know is do you only vote for the GOP or do you sprinkle in some third party candidates. 


I have refused to vote at all because no candidate was conservative and didn’t want to waste my time on it.   I have voted for both libertarians and Independents.  I have voted for Republicans.  And I voted for one Democrat, one time, and never again.

 

But these days, the best it seems I can do is simply vote against Democrats.  Not that Republicans are actually much better once you strip aside the theater.

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13 mins ago, Nessmuk said:


I have refused to vote at all because no candidate was conservative and didn’t want to waste my time on it.   I have voted for both libertarians and Independents.  I have voted for Republicans.  And I voted for one Democrat, one time, and never again.

 

But these days, the best it seems I can do is simply vote against Democrats.  Not that Republicans are actually much better once you strip aside the theater.

So in the near past and present you refused to vote or voted against Democrats. Which is it. You have the right to do whatever you want. 
 

Reason I ask is because it is clear you were a practicing Independent in the past based on your voting. But recently how many years in a row have you strung together voting for the GOP as a vote against the Dems. 5 years? 10 years?

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34 mins ago, Tailslap said:

So in the near past and present you refused to vote or voted against Democrats. Which is it. You have the right to do whatever you want. 
 

Reason I ask is because it is clear you were a practicing Independent in the past based on your voting. But recently how many years in a row have you strung together voting for the GOP as a vote against the Dems. 5 years? 10 years?


I refused to bother voting in 2016.  Trump is no conservative.  Clinton is a swine.  The Libertarians are a joke.  I voted for Trump in 2020 because he got a few worthwhile things done, and it was clear Democrats would do what they’ve done if they won.

 

The only Democrat I voted for was because he was a senior Senator on the Defense and Appropriations committees, and a West Point Grad.  RI needed to keep its seniority in the Senate.  I also knew him personally and worked with him on military matters.


Never again, because Congressional voting blocks matter.

 

The rest of the time, I am stuck voting against Democrats rather than “for” Republican BSers. 

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Posted (edited)

These days the vocal side would have you believe that they know what is best, which eclipses the silent majority... you know, whoever shouts the loudest. 

 

It's not like both sides don't have a right to be heard, but these days the liberal side is often feeling entitled to carte blanche treatment, a blank check if you will. 

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