Long Island shark attack

[ChuckDgaf]

There was a good number of BlackTip and Spinner sharks ( mostly BT's ) off the South Shore and Rockaways last summer.

 

More than a few strays ... 

 

Those two species account for most of shark " attacks " on surfers and swimmers in Florida that make main stream humanoid news.

 

Both species school up and blitz bait like Bluefish and Stripers - probably the culprits as Brown, Sand Tigers,  Juvi Threshers been around for awhile and attacks  are not really their mo.

 

Dont matter tho.... main stream media is content on letting the un-initiated think we are being surrounded by roving packs of 1000lb Great Whites.

 

Fear Fear Fear !

 

Beaches closed in the Rockaways and I heard Atlantic Beach and Long Beach also.... 

 

https://nypost.com/2022/07/19/nyc-closes-rockaway-beaches-after-2-more-shark-sightings/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by ChuckDgaf

[rollincoal]

On the beach, I’ve seen the spinners around a school of 1 lb blues putting on quite a display, once.

 

the majority of sharks I had been catching on bunker schools being blitzed day after day are these:

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by rollincoal

[CWitek]

1 hour ago, Finneus said:

What are the FL regs? 

https://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/sharks/#:~:text=2 sharks per vessel – this,two anglers are on board.

 

New York will be seeking to prevent the taking of prohibited species--sandbars, sand tigers, and duskies, so it's regulations will be a little different than Florida's.  According to the information provided at the Marine Resources Advisory Council meeting, we will probably see maximum hook sizes, maximum leader lengths, restrictions on bait delivery (bait will have to be cast, not deployed by kayak or drone), mandatory in-water release, etc.

 

We will proibably see proposed regulations published late next winter or early next spring, so that public comment can be solicited and final regulations issued in time for the 2023 season, although other regulatory issues could conceivably take priority, as they did this year (the original intent was for the regulations to be issued this year).

[CWitek]

1 hour ago, rollincoal said:

It’s kind of funny, we reduce most of the fish we eat to dwindling populations; yet the those that are a threat to us are protected and seem to be proliferating. I wonder what kind of regulations are going to be imposed on surf fishermen as if they are the problem while bunker pods on the beach are marauded by the sharks.  If you want to get rid of the sharks just have omega protein scoop up all the bunker.

The species that are being protected are what both the National Marine Fisheries Service and the DEC deem "prohibited species," because they are not proliferating.  In New York, that's primarily sandbars, duskies, and sand tigers.  Sandbars are beginning toi rebuild, but the extimated rebuilding date with no fishing mortality is 2071.  Duskies, which are beginning to show some signs of coming back, are expected to rebuild sometime between 2084 and 2204, with a median rebuilding date of 2107.  There is no stock assessment for sand tigers, but their population is considered vulnerable, although perhaps stable at current mortality levels.

 

Sharks really aren't a threat to us.  Five people had interactions with them this year.  It's likely that more people were hurt, and hurt worse, fishing from rocks and jetties so far this year.  And driving to the beach is far more dangerous than any threat posed by the sharks.

 

No one who understands the issue wants to get rid of the sharks.  Their presence, as well as the presence of menhaden, is a sign of a more intact and healing ecosystem..

[rollincoal]

6 mins ago, CWitek said:

 

 

New York will be seeking to prevent the taking of prohibited species--sandbars, sand tigers, and duskies...

sandbars, sand tigers and stingrays are almost the only species to be caught chunking in the summer.

[rollincoal]

1 min ago, CWitek said:

The species that are being protected are what both the National Marine Fisheries Service and the DEC deem "prohibited species," because they are not proliferating.  In New York, that's primarily sandbars, duskies, and sand tigers.  Sandbars are beginning toi rebuild, but the extimated rebuilding date with no fishing mortality is 2071.  Duskies, which are beginning to show some signs of coming back, are expected to rebuild sometime between 2084 and 2204, with a median rebuilding date of 2107.  There is no stock assessment for sand tigers, but their population is considered vulnerable, although perhaps stable at current mortality levels.

 

Sharks really aren't a threat to us.  Five people had interactions with them this year.  It's likely that more people were hurt, and hurt worse, fishing from rocks and jetties so far this year.  And driving to the beach is far more dangerous than any threat posed by the sharks.

 

No one who understands the issue wants to get rid of the sharks.  Their presence, as well as the presence of menhaden, is a sign of a more intact and healing ecosystem..

I dont see them as much of a threat; but something has dramatically changed with regard to how many sandbar sharks are being caught

[CWitek]

1 hour ago, ChuckDgaf said:

There was a good number of BlackTip and Spinner sharks ( mostly BT's ) off the South Shore and Rockaways last summer.

 

More than a few strays ... 

 

Those two species account for most of shark " attacks " on surfers and swimmers in Florida that make main stream humanoid news.

 

Both species school up and blitz bait like Bluefish and Stripers - probably the culprits as Brown, Sand Tigers,  Juvi Threshers been around for awhile and attacks  are not really their mo.

 

Dont matter tho.... main stream media is content on letting the un-initiated think we are being surrounded by roving packs of 1000lb Great Whites.

 

Fear Fear Fear !

 

Beaches closed in the Rockaways and I heard Atlantic and Long Beaches also.... 

 

https://nypost.com/2022/07/19/nyc-closes-rockaway-beaches-after-2-more-shark-sightings/

 

 

 

 

 

There was a good spinner shark blitz off Fire Island last Friday.  Someone I know sent me a video, and it was pretty spectacular.

 

Right now, it looks like most of the bites are coming from sand tigers, although your obserevation about the spinners and blacktips doing most of the ankle-biting off Florida is accurate.  I knoiw of one tooth recovered from a bite a couple of years ago being analyzed, and the DNA came back as sand tiger.  This year, sand tigers were apparently identified at the scene.

[CWitek]

48 mins ago, rollincoal said:

On the beach, I’ve seen the spinners around a school of 1 lb blues putting on quite a display, once.

 

the majority of sharks I had been catching on bunker schools being blitzed day after day are these:

 

Looks like a sandbar.  Prohibited species, the taking of which is already illegal.  It should be noted that "taking" includes lesser actions, such as trying to capture.

[rollincoal]

1 min ago, CWitek said:

Looks like a sandbar.  Prohibited species, the taking of which is already illegal.  It should be noted that "taking" includes lesser actions, such as trying to capture.

Impossible not to catch them if you have bait in the water.

I even caught one on a plug last week.

Edited July 20, 2022 by rollincoal

[rollincoal]

Will it look bad if i have wire leaders for my lures now(considering the dearth of bluefish?)

[CWitek]

3 mins ago, rollincoal said:

sandbars, sand tigers and stingrays are almost the only species to be caught chunking in the summer.

Yes, and it is illegal to target either sandbars or sand tigers.

 

From the DEC website:

 

Prohibited Sharks

Prohibited shark species are protected from fishing activities by Section 40.7 of Title 6 of New York's Codes, Rules and Regulations. Learn more about which shark species are prohibited, why they are prohibited, and best practices for handling and release of these species below.

• Prohibited shark species found in New York State waters include Sandbar ("Brown"), Dusky, and Sand Tiger sharks. Large (non-dogfish) sharks that are caught from shore in New York are usually a prohibited shark species. Prohibited shark species may also be encountered by boat-based anglers in nearshore waters. 
• For a full list of all prohibited shark species, view Recreational Saltwater Fishing Regulations.
• Download and review the NOAA Fisheries Shark Identification Placard and Prohibited Shark Identification Placard (PDF links leave DEC website) before going shark fishing. Remember, "If you don't know, let it go!"

It is illegal to take or possess prohibited shark species.

"Take" is defined in New York's Environmental Conservation Law Section 11-0103 (13) and includes pursuing, killing, and capturing sharks. It also includes all lesser acts such as disturbing, harrying, or worrying, or using any device commonly used to take sharks.

• Any angler who is making an effort to catch a prohibited shark species is pursuing or targeting that species in violation of 6 NYCRR 40.7(c)(1).
• Do not fish for or target prohibited sharks in New York waters. Intentional catch and release of prohibited sharks is likewise illegal.
• If a prohibited shark is hooked, the angler must release the prohibited shark immediately and in a manner that maximizes the shark's chance of survival.
• Do not tag prohibited sharks or delay release to take pictures.
• Participating in NOAA's Cooperative Shark Tagging Program (CSTP) (link leaves DEC website) as a volunteer does not exempt you from New York State laws and regulations. NOAA requires CSTP volunteers to follow all local, state and federal rules.

Why Certain Shark Species are Prohibited

Prohibited shark species are particularly vulnerable due to a combination of factors which include:

• Low reproduction rates
• Maturity at older ages
• Long gestation periods
• Species may be overfished, and/or overfishing may be occurring
• Vulnerability to certain fishing practices

The prohibited status gives these species the protection they need from fishing to maintain and rebuild their populations.

[CWitek]

3 mins ago, rollincoal said:

Impossible not to catch them if you have bait in the water.

I even caught one on a plug last week.

True.

 

That's why the regulations likely to emerge will discourage targeting them.  If someone catches one while fishing for bluefish, the in-water release and similar requirements will help assure that the fish won't be harmed.

[Wire For Fire]

I’m all for all those regs , specially the deploying of baits .. I’ve watched these knuckle heads send out baits past the bar and then proceed to fight this small 50lbs brown shark for 15-20 min plus .. ain’t nothing good about that , and I’m all for the must stay in wash for release.    And there should min distance from swimming beaches you are allowed to dead stick 3-400 yards atleast ...

[CWitek]

2 mins ago, rollincoal said:

Will it look bad if i have wire leaders for my lures now(considering the dearth of bluefish?)

On lures, no.  On bait, the eventual regulations will probably limit leader length to discourage shark fishing.

 

It's the same situation we run into from a boat.  We may be trying to catch spinners or threshers out of a bunker school, or might even be trying to find a cobia, but if we run into a prohibited shark, we just have to release it as quickly as possible in a manner likely to minimize harm to the fish, such as cutting the hook with bolt cutters to effectuate a fast release.

[CWitek]

11 mins ago, rollincoal said:

I dont see them as much of a threat; but something has dramatically changed with regard to how many sandbar sharks are being caught

Sandbars are rebuilding.

 

Back in the '80s, we used to run into hordes of them at times.  It was not uncommon to hook one as soon as we dropped a bait into the water, and cantching a dozen or more over the course of the day was far from unusual.  Then the numbers started to decline, likely because of fish taken in the bottom longline fishery down south--sandbars were one of the fish most commonly harvested.  For a decade or so, we saw almost none.  A prohibition on landings was put in place in 2000, and beginning about a decade ago, we started to see abundance increaseing again.  Over the last few years, we're seeing quite a few again.  An increase in bunker inshore is alsoi making them moire catchable, which is somewhat different from abundance, although you still can't catch what's not there.