55555s Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 12 hours ago, redfin said: Sadly, it’s 2022 and handing out penalties for fishing offenses that would make a difference to the resource are simply a fantasy. When enforcement of laws aimed at protecting and managing a shared, limited resource becomes "fantasy" it is time to reject the system that creates those laws and pretends to enforce them and facilitate the otherwise law abiding to become comfortable in proactively protecting the resource. KarpsnKatz, Popasilov and aae0130 3 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aae0130 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 min ago, 55555s said: When enforcement of laws aimed at protecting and managing a shared, limited resource becomes "fantasy" it is time to reject the system that creates those laws and pretends to enforce them and facilitate the otherwise law abiding to become comfortable in proactively protecting the resource. I agree… “Shall not be infringed” was the “talk to the hand” of that period. (Me 2022) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 28 mins ago, 55555s said: When enforcement of laws aimed at protecting and managing a shared, limited resource becomes "fantasy" it is time to reject the system that creates those laws and pretends to enforce them and facilitate the otherwise law abiding to become comfortable in proactively protecting the resource. Fight the power! ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidder 329 Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 I was told once Pennsylvania structure there fines. $52 1st fish $104 2nd fish $208 3rd fish Total $364 and so on, gets expensive quick. Addresses the greed issue the more you poach the more you pay. aae0130 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55555s Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Drew C. said: Fight the poachers ^ No, this is what I meant. aae0130 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 mins ago, 55555s said: ^ No, this is what I meant. Don’t disagree but in this current political & economic environment it’s just not going to happen. It’s sucks but it is what it is. maybe commercial fisherman dock style justice on the offending party? ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55555s Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, 55555s said: When enforcement of laws aimed at protecting and managing a shared, limited resource becomes "fantasy" it is time to reject the system that creates those laws and pretends to enforce them and facilitate the otherwise law abiding to become comfortable in proactively protecting the resource. Just now, Drew C. said: maybe commercial fisherman dock style justice on the offending party? I'll confront every poacher I see going forward. Will others support this? Will others agree to do the same? Who are the real stewards, and what if they sit by and do nothing? KarpsnKatz, Turkeybacn, Flukemaster12 and 1 other 4 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flukemaster12 Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, relentless pursuit said: They are 99.9% foreigners that wiped out all the resources back home,and came here to finish the job. I'll add that plenty of locals flagrantly flout the rules too. People who certainly know better. I wonder how many 73" BFT were taken this past year in the NY Bight? Edited February 15, 2022 by Flukemaster12 CWitek and Turkeybacn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 24 mins ago, 55555s said: I'll confront every poacher I see going forward. Will others support this? Will others agree to do the same? Who are the real stewards, and what if they sit by and do nothing? Nope, too many crazy people out there. Call the proper authorities. z-man 1 ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sytheteacher Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 hours ago, 55555s said: I'll confront every poacher I see going forward. Will others support this? Will others agree to do the same? Who are the real stewards, and what if they sit by and do nothing? I agree with you. But there's going to be plenty of fights if we confront poachers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennysnook Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 hours ago, 55555s said: I'll confront every poacher I see going forward. Will others support this? Will others agree to do the same? Who are the real stewards, and what if they sit by and do nothing? That is the problem. The "stewards" sit back and complain on social media and everything goes by the wayside. Calling law enforcement often allows them to escape unscaithed. The real stewards know what is involved in confronting poachers and still have the balls to do it. I've found that when you confront someone publically on wrong doing with eyes around, then 99% of the time the right thing is done without serious confrontation and the fish goes back and lives. That fear of getting caught sets in or in some cases they don't know the regulations and easily comply. If you do it when eyes aren't around or confront someone who has no regard, then you better be willing to fight for it. Sitting back and complaining does nothing, so chose your battles. sytheteacher, Popasilov and KarpsnKatz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55555s Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 7 mins ago, dennysnook said: Sitting back and complaining does nothing +1 Agree on all counts, especially this. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aae0130 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) This may get met with a lot of opposition but maybe if the states charged a fee for salt water registration it would be more lucrative to grow enforcement. If it was a cash cow for the state they would be more concerned with who is out of compliance. Just a thought…..and I offer it because poaching in the salt is a much bigger problem than in the fresh. Edited February 15, 2022 by aae0130 Popasilov 1 “Shall not be infringed” was the “talk to the hand” of that period. (Me 2022) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 I’d say that it’s equal. I’ve fished both, more fresh lately and I see it all the damn time. DEEP even has an office right on the river but I’ve never seen an officer out of their truck. ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWitek Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 13 hours ago, aae0130 said: It’s a start…….but it should be more like $100 bucks an inch……I would like it to be so harsh a punishment that it leaves them pschycologically scarred. It used to be a misdemeanor, with the potential for much higher fines and jail time. But all the cases were nolled because the state's attorneys didn't want to prosecute them. So the reduced fine ended up being the better enforcement tool. "I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.." -- Ted Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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