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7 hours ago, carznfish said:

Thanks for putting up pictures mark i was going to go out this weekend and try and get some because this is bull****. I cant believe someone thought this was a good idea

Its called "make work" ... aka...job security ...

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The goals and scope of this project and environmental impact statements should be readily made available to the public but getting any information on this travesty is as difficult as finding rocking horse poop. The reason for the rape of the natural marsh west of the beach path at Gardner’s Park, rumored to be for mosquito control, was equally difficult and frustrating to find. To satisfy the laws in the Town of Babylon I had to post a placard notifying interested citizens of a public hearing on my application for creation of an accessory apartment in my house but no such placards have been placed at these shameful sites of blatant environmental destruction by the land owners, The irony is we are the land owners,  since these are public lands but we have no clue on what is going on. Looks like a case of rape where the rapist is some nebulous power mad committee or commission, which abhor the Coriolis effect, using the lackey Army corp of engineers to do their dirty work. Ever think why the barrier beach islands overlap east to west along Long Islands south shore  or why the relic Fire Island Light is so far from the Fire Island Inlet. It’s used to be at the western tip of Fire Island  but beach creation due to the Coriolis effect had caused an illusionary shift east. The Coriolis effect amplifies tidal current in the direction of the earth’s rotation, holding and dropping more sand  and building beaches east to west. The west end jetty has barely survived this phenomena and is now covered by sand on its northern end. The magnificent western end of Fire Island created by this dynamic natural force is now being destroyed by human intervention  and why remains a mystery. In addition, wherever the dredging crews surface around the west end of Fire Island you can rest assured that no fishermen have been consulted and the fishing invariably goes downhill. 

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23 hours ago, mark77 said:

From the 'parking' area hill  at jetty on front side.

Only a matter of time until that all washes over, water was touching that dune a few times this season and now its gone.

Seems like a ridiculous amount of time and effort for 12? birds.  

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I doubt that it has anything to do with birds.

 

Have to believe this is part of the Fire Island to Montauk project that the Corps of Engineers has been salivating over for so many years.  $1.7 billion in taxpayer dollars to re-engineer the barrier beach, just so the ocean can put it back into the shape the sea wanted in the first place.

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6 hours ago, flyrad10 said:

The goals and scope of this project and environmental impact statements should be readily made available to the public but getting any information on this travesty is as difficult as finding rocking horse poop. The reason for the rape of the natural marsh west of the beach path at Gardner’s Park, rumored to be for mosquito control, was equally difficult and frustrating to find. To satisfy the laws in the Town of Babylon I had to post a placard notifying interested citizens of a public hearing on my application for creation of an accessory apartment in my house but no such placards have been placed at these shameful sites of blatant environmental destruction by the land owners, The irony is we are the land owners,  since these are public lands but we have no clue on what is going on. Looks like a case of rape where the rapist is some nebulous power mad committee or commission, which abhor the Coriolis effect, using the lackey Army corp of engineers to do their dirty work. Ever think why the barrier beach islands overlap east to west along Long Islands south shore  or why the relic Fire Island Light is so far from the Fire Island Inlet. It’s used to be at the western tip of Fire Island  but beach creation due to the Coriolis effect had caused an illusionary shift east. The Coriolis effect amplifies tidal current in the direction of the earth’s rotation, holding and dropping more sand  and building beaches east to west. The west end jetty has barely survived this phenomena and is now covered by sand on its northern end. The magnificent western end of Fire Island created by this dynamic natural force is now being destroyed by human intervention  and why remains a mystery. In addition, wherever the dredging crews surface around the west end of Fire Island you can rest assured that no fishermen have been consulted and the fishing invariably goes downhill. 

Not a lot of mystery.  This is what the Corps of Engineers does to justify its budget and headcount.  Happens up and down the coast.  Beachfront property owners who support this sort of thing tend to have big bank accouts and contribute to the poliiticians who authorize the projects and keep the Corps in business.

 

Have a friend in Florida who is fighting the Corps on its efforts to dredge channels so that super-sized cruise ships could enter the ports, because sediment from the dredging is killing off coral reefs--something the Corps claimed would never happen.  But given that they have no accountability for environmental damage once the EIS has been improved, there is no recourse.  If you can't kill a project at the EIS stage, which is usually very hard to do unless something like nesting turtles is involved, the Corps just keeps demolishing the coast, at the taxpayers' expense.

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Has anyone had any luck finding the scope and purpose of this project? Does not seem plover related, seems like another ACOE destructive waste of money and time.

 

 

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6 mins ago, C.Robin said:

seems like another ACOE destructive waste of money and time.

 

 

 Corps of Engineers = waste of money = nature destruction

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There's some info out there. The Town of Easthampton has posted detailed plans for the work to shore up the Montauk town beachfront. I haven't seen any detailed drawings for Fire Island Inlet work, just these generalized paragraphs here.

 

Major Flood Risk Management Project on Long Island - 5 Towns Central

 

This provides more:

 

Fire Island to Montauk Point Reformulation Study (army.mil)

 

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12 hours ago, CWitek said:

Not a lot of mystery.  This is what the Corps of Engineers does to justify its budget and headcount.  Happens up and down the coast.  Beachfront property owners who support this sort of thing tend to have big bank accouts and contribute to the poliiticians who authorize the projects and keep the Corps in business.

 

Have a friend in Florida who is fighting the Corps on its efforts to dredge channels so that super-sized cruise ships could enter the ports, because sediment from the dredging is killing off coral reefs--something the Corps claimed would never happen.  But given that they have no accountability for environmental damage once the EIS has been improved, there is no recourse.  If you can't kill a project at the EIS stage, which is usually very hard to do unless something like nesting turtles is involved, the Corps just keeps demolishing the coast, at the taxpayers' expense.

The USACEs NEPA regulations don’t have an EIS, only an EA where a limited alternatives analysis is needed, along with much fewer hoops that a federal agency will need to jump through to get to an EIS/Record of Decision. Someone was not thinking straight  at CEQ way back in the 70s or 80s when they developed NEPA regs for the Corps. 
 

So unless somehow there was a different lead federal agency for this project, they only needed an EA/Finding of No Significant Impact to proceed to permitting with this one. Since the work is already under way, the EA/FONSI is a done deal and approved.

 

Those looking for environmental documentation on this project might have luck looking on the NEPA Permitting Dashboard website.

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Said in the list of planned actions " The removal of groins/jetties". are they seriously planning to remove that structure? 

 

Seems open ended, wonder what their hiding.

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Just spitballing but if you flattened the point and removed the rock pile and jetty buried under the sand on the front side any breach created between the pond and the ocean should just close on its own and stay mostly closed. More sand depositing is less sand going into the inlet ? Who knows? Im not an engineer by any means but maybe thats the logic behind these renovations 

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23 hours ago, carznfish said:

Just spitballing but if you flattened the point and removed the rock pile and jetty buried under the sand on the front side any breach created between the pond and the ocean should just close on its own and stay mostly closed. More sand depositing is less sand going into the inlet ? Who knows? Im not an engineer by any means but maybe thats the logic behind these renovations 

The jetty shoiuld be capturing sand on the front side of Robert Moses, preventing such sand from drifting into the inlet, and promoting erosion west of the jetty at Democrat itself.  Removing the jetty would allow more sand from Robert Moses to drift west extending Democrat further into the inlet and otherwise causing the inlet to shallow.

 

What I don't know is whether it would improve sand deposition on the other side of the inlet, at Cedar and Gilgo.

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