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5 hours ago, Slacker said:

Globalism has largely been responsible for the availability low cost of consumer goods for decades.  Most people benefit greatly from being able to access goods made by cheap foreign labor.

Fair trade is responsible for your claims, not globalism. 

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

Robert A. Heinlein

 

 

 
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11 mins ago, Slacker said:

Incorrect.

Perhaps, however, Globalism being nothing but a fancy way of saying of “one world government” sure the hell isn’t correct either.

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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

Robert A. Heinlein

 

 

 
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1 hour ago, Cayotica said:

Fair trade is responsible for your claims, not globalism. 

 

51 mins ago, Slacker said:

Incorrect.

 

42 mins ago, Cayotica said:

Perhaps, however, Globalism being nothing but a fancy way of saying of “one world government” sure the hell isn’t correct either.

To be fair, I should be more exact in my language.  When I say "globalism", I am actually referring to "globalization", not some New World Order silliness.

 

I used the term "globalism" because many people seem to use it interchangeably with the term "globalization" when informally discussing "Made in China", loss of US jobs, etc. 

 

My apologies for the lack of clarity.

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2 hours ago, giant basshole said:

It’s also responsible for crap products , cramming landfills with throw away crap, loss of self dependence , mass pollution , loss of jobs , loss of quality products, thousands of workers being oppressed and working long shifts in deplorable conditions and taken a lot of pride away from this country.

That is quite a list of bad things.  So...

 

A pair of blue jeans cost $40.  Are you willing to buy US made blue jeans at $100 a pair?  Are you willing to pay $2,000 for a cell phone that you get now for $1,000?  

 

Lets say we wave a wand and everything you buy and use is Made in USA.  Would that label and the resulting doubling of the price of everything be good for you and your family?

 

Would the rising tide raise all boats?  Maybe.  Maybe all these blue jeans sewing workers would band together in a union and force $50 an hour wages and maybe they would buy whatever you are selling so you see some benefit.  Or maybe it would just result in more US based minimum wage work... something we really don't need, which would still churn out a crappy product, which would still cost more than "Made in Honduras" and probably wouldn't benefit you in any measurable way.

 

Cheap goods come from cheap labor.  You don't get one without the other.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, Slacker said:

That is quite a list of bad things.  So...

 

A pair of blue jeans cost $40.  Are you willing to buy US made blue jeans at $100 a pair?  Are you willing to pay $2,000 for a cell phone that you get now for $1,000?  

 

Lets say we wave a wand and everything you buy and use is Made in USA.  Would that label and the resulting doubling of the price of everything be good for you and your family?

 

Would the rising tide raise all boats?  Maybe.  Maybe all these blue jeans sewing workers would band together in a union and force $50 an hour wages and maybe they would buy whatever you are selling so you see some benefit.  Or maybe it would just result in more US based minimum wage work... something we really don't need, which would still churn out a crappy product, which would still cost more than "Made in Honduras" and probably wouldn't benefit you in any measurable way.

 

Cheap goods come from cheap labor.  You don't get one without the other.  

 

 

Same could be said about quality goods. Quality goods come from quality labor.

Do you want cheap goods cheaply, or quality goods that you get what you paid for?

Material abundance without character is the path of destruction.
-Thomas Jefferson
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
-Soren Kierkegaard

 

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1 hour ago, Gotcow? said:

Ah, back to the racist slant..... :(

I can name that song in one note...

"He's a good stick" - Mr. Miyagi"  ~  "Yep!" - Captain Dingo

"How are you doing that" - Jimmy the Mate  ~  "Shipwreck is one of those guys!" - Capt. Freddy Gamboa

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12 hours ago, KnewBee said:

"Trump had an America First agenda"  ???

 

Nah, he had a himself first agenda

BULLSPIT! Your hatred of the man has blinded you to the myriad accomplishments of his administration 

IN FAVOR OF COMMERCIAL FISHING AND SURFING THE NORTH SIDE

MAY THE RICH GET RICHER!!

FISH ARE FOOD!!

UA MAU KA EA O KA AINA IKA PONO O HAWAII

 

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11 hours ago, KnewBee said:

Yes, it did

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Disingenuous, at best.  To throw out the KKK as something of a Trump, or Republican creation, to bandy about the term KKK today, and promote whatever you are trying to sell, with this post, is to forget what the website history dot com says about the origin of the KKK.  You already know it, but then try to apply your own wishful thinking in this post.  Sad.

 

From History:

 

Founded in 1865, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for Black Americans.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Slacker said:

That is quite a list of bad things.  So...

 

A pair of blue jeans cost $40.  Are you willing to buy US made blue jeans at $100 a pair?  Are you willing to pay $2,000 for a cell phone that you get now for $1,000?  

 

Lets say we wave a wand and everything you buy and use is Made in USA.  Would that label and the resulting doubling of the price of everything be good for you and your family?

 

Would the rising tide raise all boats?  Maybe.  Maybe all these blue jeans sewing workers would band together in a union and force $50 an hour wages and maybe they would buy whatever you are selling so you see some benefit.  Or maybe it would just result in more US based minimum wage work... something we really don't need, which would still churn out a crappy product, which would still cost more than "Made in Honduras" and probably wouldn't benefit you in any measurable way.

 

Cheap goods come from cheap labor.  You don't get one without the other.  

 

 

I’m not dreaming of a country where everting is made here. But being mildly self sufficient would be nice. I don’t mind paying more for a higher quality product. Do you?

 When companies switched to overseas manufacturing little profit was passed along to the worker bee. The lions share goes to the executive board. If this wasn’t the case American products could be more affordable .

BLM - Bass Lives Matter 

Race - human like everyone else

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