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59 mins ago, liambrouillette said:

Honestly I feel like the commercial fisherman aren't as big of an issue as the civilians who think striped bass is a delicious New England delicacy, and have no one to educate them.

Very true. Who the hell are these people that pay that much money for a PCB filled piece of meat that doesn’t even taste very good. How do they prepare this fish to make it worth the money over haddock, flounder, sea bass halibut or pretty much every other fish in the market?

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1 hour ago, z-man said:

It literally sounds like they are tracking down and killing the last remaining heard of buffalo. 

Exactly!  It's  happening right before our eyes and powers that be are doing nothing to stop it (commercial and recreational alike). 

They got slaughtered off Chatham a few years ago, then P-Town, over to Sandy Neck/Brewster, now CC Bay North of the Canal and Boston Harbor.  We're a season away from running out of state waters to find fish over 35".

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32 mins ago, z-man said:

Very true. Who the hell are these people that pay that much money for a PCB filled piece of meat that doesn’t even taste very good. How do they prepare this fish to make it worth the money over haddock, flounder, sea bass halibut or pretty much every other fish in the market?

I mean who would tell them, how would they know. they have no clue about any of this :dismay:

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8 mins ago, FoulHooker said:

I had 1003lbs in the 3 days last week.  That about a 24.5lb average.  The recreational/charter guys are catching these thing 7 days a week and atleast half of them die.  Recreational Anglers present more of a risk to population management than commercial anglers and that's a fact.

 

species - Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better but the reality is no recreational anglers are going out fishing with the goal of killing the 15 biggest fish they can each day. 

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37 mins ago, FoulHooker said:

I had 1003lbs in the 3 days last week.  That about a 24.5lb average.  The recreational/charter guys are catching these thing 7 days a week and atleast half of them die.  Recreational Anglers present more of a risk to population management than commercial anglers and that's a fact.

 

species - Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission

Prior to bass all huddled together the last few years and giving one back and cap at 35" I would agree with you. Now? The average Rec Angler is not averaging 15 fish a trip and 25-35lbs average. The Comms are. The average rec angler now is lucky to have one 30lber in his or her lifetime but give that Rec Angler a boat or kayak, side imaging, a bucket of eels, rubber core sinker, and he or she will too top your 1000lbs. There is absolutely no skill in it. 

 

 

 

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Notice that the chart is listed as number of fish, not pounds. Average comm poundage is probably 2x rec landings and 3x+ the fish killed by rec releases. And they are removing the biggest fish exclusively who lay the most eggs.

 

This is the end of the population cycle the only question is are there enough small fish to repopulate over the next 20 years.

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Another thought. Where are the environmental police? Striped Bass are a hot topic so where is the enforcement to keep an eye on things? 8 grand a week has a lot of temptations.   If they do not have the boat to Patrol Boston Harbor area wait at the boat ramp and run routine checks. 99 percent of these comms are honest but you have to show yourself to keep things honest. I live by the water, on the water often, and I have seen them once this year. Running a traffic detail at the Casino in the middle of the night. 

 

 

 

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At the end of the day its not for debate.  The science and data support my claim.  The numbers are declining and recreational fishermen are to blame just as much as the commercial guys.  If you are still fishing for these things you are not helping the population.  So if you really cared you would stop fishing for striped bass all together.  Keep telling yourselves what you want to hear but the proof is in the pudding.  

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1 hour ago, FoulHooker said:

I had 1003lbs in the 3 days last week.  That about a 24.5lb average.  The recreational/charter guys are catching these thing 7 days a week and atleast half of them die.  Recreational Anglers present more of a risk to population management than commercial anglers and that's a fact.

 

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Where did you come up with the "atleast half of them die"?  

 

And that chart is meaningless unless you include the amount of comms. vs rec. anglers.  

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2 mins ago, FoulHooker said:

At the end of the day its not for debate.  The science and data support my claim.  The numbers are declining and recreational fishermen are to blame just as much as the commercial guys.  If you are still fishing for these things you are not helping the population.  So if you really cared you would stop fishing for striped bass all together.  Keep telling yourselves what you want to hear but the proof is in the pudding.  

Pls. show me where the "science" says "atleast half of them die"?

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9% of fish released properly die.  I was stretching the number because I see most fish pictures of fish in the sand or on the rocks...those fish are dead weather they swam away or not.  Or if you think a 40lber caught on a charter on wire is living after 5mins of pictures your wrong.  I also don't cull any fish.  If its over 35inches it goes in the box.  When I get 15 I go home.  What is the trigger for a recreational guy to stop catching "Trophy" fish?  

 

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So the "science and data" don't support your claim like you said.

 

Again, that chart is meaningless w/o adding the # of rec vs comms.  Given there are far, far fewer recs. the comms have a much larger impact (not the full impact) on the health of the stocks. 

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35 mins ago, FoulHooker said:

At the end of the day its not for debate.  The science and data support my claim.  The numbers are declining and recreational fishermen are to blame just as much as the commercial guys.  If you are still fishing for these things you are not helping the population.  So if you really cared you would stop fishing for striped bass all together.  Keep telling yourselves what you want to hear but the proof is in the pudding.  

I agree we all will have a hand into the demise. 

 

 

 

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