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Untrained civilians, Cyber Ninjas, people with clear bias, members of the January 6th insurrection, thousands of unsecured ballots.  

 

Gee...I wonder what they're going to claim to find?

 

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Reading about this sounds like a comedy, but it isn't.

 

Arizona Review of 2020 Vote Is Riddled With Flaws, Says Secretary of State

Arizona’s top election official said the effort ordered by Republican state senators leaves ballots unattended and lacks basic safeguards to protect the process from manipulation.

 
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Contractors working for a group hired by Republican state senators examined ballots from the 2020 general election at Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix this week.
 

Contractors working for a group hired by Republican state senators examined ballots from the 2020 general election at Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix this week.Credit...Courtney Pedroza/Getty Images

By Michael Wines

May 6, 2021

Untrained citizens are trying to find traces of bamboo on last year’s ballots, seemingly trying to prove a conspiracy theory that the election was tainted by fake votes from Asia. Thousands of ballots are left unattended and unsecured. People with open partisan bias, including a man who was photographed on the Capitol steps during the Jan. 6 riot, are doing the recounting.

All of these issues with the Republican-backed re-examination of the November election results from Arizona’s most populous county were laid out this week by Katie Hobbs, Arizona’s Democratic secretary of state, in a scathing six-page letter.

Ms. Hobbs called the process “a significant departure from standard best practices.”

“Though conspiracy theorists are undoubtedly cheering on these types of inspections — and perhaps providing financial support because of their use — they do little other than further marginalize the professionalism and intent of this ‘audit,’” she wrote to Ken Bennett, a former Republican secretary of state and the liaison between Republicans in the State Senate and the company conducting it.

The effort has no official standing and will not change the state’s vote, whatever it finds. But it has become so troubled that the Department of Justice also expressed concerns this week in a letter saying that it might violate federal laws.

 

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“We have a concern that Maricopa County election records, which are required by federal law to be retained and preserved, are no longer under the ultimate control of elections officials, are not being adequately safeguarded by contractors, and are at risk of damage or loss,” wrote Pamela Karlan, the principal deputy assistant attorney general with the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division.

The scene playing out in Arizona is perhaps the most off-the-rails episode in the Republican Party’s escalating effort to support former President Donald J. Trump’s lie that he won the election. Four months after Congress certified the results of the presidential election, local officials around the country are continuing to provide oxygen for Mr. Trump’s obsession that he beat Joseph R. Biden Jr. last fall.

In Arizona, the review is proving to be every bit as problematic as skeptics had imagined.

Last month, the Arizona Republic editorial board called for the state’s G.O.P. Senate majority to stop “abusing its authority.”

“Republicans in the Arizona Legislature have set aside dollars, hired consultants, procured the hardware and software to conduct what they call ‘an audit’ of the 2020 presidential election in Maricopa County,” the editorial said. “What they don’t have is the moral authority to make it credible.”

 

 

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Katie Hobbs, Arizona’s secretary of state, said the process had ignored long-established safeguards against mistakes or deliberate manipulation of the election results.Credit...Pool photo by Ross D. Franklin

Republican state senators ordered a review of the election in Maricopa County, whose 2.1 million ballots accounted for two-thirds of the entire vote statewide, in December, after some supporters of Mr. Trump refused to accept his 10,457-vote loss in Arizona. Democrats had flipped the county, giving Mr. Biden more than enough votes to ensure his victory statewide.

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The senators later assigned oversight of the effort to a Florida-based company, Cyber Ninjas, whose chief executive had publicly embraced conspiracy theories claiming that voting machines had been rigged to deliver the state to Mr. Biden. Since then, supporters of Mr. Trump’s stolen-election story line have been given broad access to the site of the review, while election experts, the press and independent observers have struggled to gain access, sometimes resorting to going to court.

In one much-noted instance, Anthony Kern, a former state representative photographed on the Capitol steps on the day of the insurrection — and who was on the Maricopa ballot both as a legislative candidate and as a presidential elector — was hired to help recount ballots.

Among other concerns, Ms. Hobbs’s letter contended that stacks of ballots were not properly protected and that there was no apparent procedure for preventing the commingling of tallied and untallied ballots.

The security violations spotted by observers, the letter stated, included ballots left unattended on tables and ballots counted using scrap paper instead of official tally sheets. Counters receive “on the fly” training. Ballots from separate stacks are mixed together. Software problems cause ballot images to get lost.

The letter also noted that some aspects of the process “appear better suited for chasing conspiracy theories than as a part of a professional audit.”

For instance, some ballots are receiving microscope and ultraviolet-light examinations, apparently to address unfounded claims that fraudulent ballots contained watermarks that were visible under UV light — or that thousands of fraudulent ballots were flown in from Southeast Asia using paper with bamboo fibers.

 

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Amazing, just amazing.  Note the link to the Secretary of State's letter. If you want a more detailed account of how effed up this "audit" is, the fine details are there.

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4 hours ago, BrianBM said:

Amazing, just amazing.  Note the link to the Secretary of State's letter. If you want a more detailed account of how effed up this "audit" is, the fine details are there.

 

I heard problems with this "recount" right out of the gate.

 

First, they refused to let journalists observe.  

 

Then, common procedure is to not let a single pen in the room that's the same color used on the ballots.  For AZ that means blue and black, and that all auditors and recount work should be done with red or green.  When a journalist finally did get in, she observed people using blue and black pens.

 

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If you put something in red (on a ballot), our tabulator wouldn't be able to read it.  

 

The problem with counters using blue pens is the risk of a stray or intentional mark that could spoil the ballot, elections officials say.

 

This is reinforced in the state Elections Procedures Manual, which specifically states that anyone involved with the hand count of ballots cannot use pens with blue or black ink."

 

 

 

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If Federal law requires that the ballots be retained in custody for 22 months (?), I can see the Civil Rights division of the DoJ getting involved.

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Not seeing the concern here, when the results come in, the results will prove the free and fair election you folks have been talking about.

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And suddenly democrats are against changing traditional processes around election audits.

 

Selective outrage must be a prerequisite to becoming a democrat.

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12 mins ago, zybathegeek said:

Not seeing the concern here, when the results come in, the results will prove the free and fair election you folks have been talking about.

Exactly.. what’s the downside ?

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2 mins ago, RiverRaider said:

Exactly.. what’s the downside ?

Their bleating is like the lady that protesteth too much, either that, or the sheep are nervous on the way to the charnel house.

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4 hours ago, BrianBM said:

Reading about this sounds like a comedy, but it isn't.

 

Arizona Review of 2020 Vote Is Riddled With Flaws, Says Secretary of State

Ms. Hobbs called the process “a significant departure from standard best practices.”

“Though conspiracy theorists are undoubtedly cheering on these types of inspections — and perhaps providing financial support because of their use — they do little other than further marginalize the professionalism and intent of this ‘audit,’” she wrote to Ken Bennett, a former Republican secretary of state and the liaison between Republicans in the State Senate and the company conducting it.

The effort has no official standing and will not change the state’s vote, whatever it finds. But it has become so troubled that the Department of Justice also expressed concerns this week in a letter saying that it might violate federal laws.

 

“We have a concern that Maricopa County election records, which are required by federal law to be retained and preserved, are no longer under the ultimate control of elections officials, are not being adequately safeguarded by contractors, and are at risk of damage or loss,” wrote Pamela Karlan, the principal deputy assistant attorney general with the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division.

The scene playing out in Arizona is perhaps the most off-the-rails episode in the Republican Party’s escalating effort to support former President Donald J. Trump’s lie that he won the election. Four months after Congress certified the results of the presidential election, local officials around the country are continuing to provide oxygen for Mr. Trump’s obsession that he beat Joseph R. Biden Jr. last fall.

In Arizona, the review is proving to be every bit as problematic as skeptics had imagined.

Last month, the Arizona Republic editorial board called for the state’s G.O.P. Senate majority to stop “abusing its authority.”

“Republicans in the Arizona Legislature have set aside dollars, hired consultants, procured the hardware and software to conduct what they call ‘an audit’ of the 2020 presidential election in Maricopa County,” the editorial said. “What they don’t have is the moral authority to make it credible.”

Katie Hobbs, Arizona’s secretary of state, said the process had ignored long-established safeguards against mistakes or deliberate manipulation of the election results.Credit...Pool photo by Ross D. Franklin

Republican state senators ordered a review of the election in Maricopa County, whose 2.1 million ballots accounted for two-thirds of the entire vote statewide, in December, after some supporters of Mr. Trump refused to accept his 10,457-vote loss in Arizona. Democrats had flipped the county, giving Mr. Biden more than enough votes to ensure his 

Hobbs is misstating federal law.  What else is she not telling the truth about?

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32 mins ago, BrianBM said:

If Federal law requires that the ballots be retained in custody for 22 months (?), I can see the Civil Rights division of the DoJ getting involved.

 

If they are honest, and the results match the original count...no problem.

 

The problem if they find material differences is that the ballots have been left unsecured, subjected to blue/black ink, and handled by untrained people including at least one who stormed the Capitol.  You can keep the ballots for 10 years, but there won't be any way to untangle what's actually happened.

 

If the count comes out different, the search for truth will be like trying to convict someone on forensic evidence after a parade has marched through the crime scene and the doctor sneezed all over the lab.  No way to tell what actually happened in November.  

 

 

 

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35 mins ago, BrianBM said:

If Federal law requires that the ballots be retained in custody for 22 months (?), I can see the Civil Rights division of the DoJ getting involved.

Federal law allows for a designated custodian.  Which in this case is the Arizona legislature being designated by the judge.

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