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So, 1/8" drill bit fits perfect. Is that what the "tube size" for tip tops mean? Each # is a 64th?

 

Looks like I can't get anywhere near a 5mm ring size with such a large tube.

 

Would it matter much to have, say, an 8mm tip with 5mm runners?

Or get new guides to match the tip?

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With the guides banded on, some input would be much appreciated. Background: 8' Ugly Stik Big Water 1-3 oz. I'm leaning towards a 710z with 54mm spool diameter, but may possible go with Daiwa Exceler 2500 with 45mm spool. 14# Fireline. The guides are CRB 25-12-8-6-5. Initial layout was as suggested on the package but it looked awful. The following pictures are, from the tip, 3 1/2", 6 1/4", 9 1/8", 12, 15 3/4, 20, 25 1/8, 30 3/4, 37, 44 3/4, 53 3/4, and spool face at 72"....all this was set merely by looking at the line under load.

20210322_171845.jpg.772da36d7593d870535146573461ed70.jpg^overall view20210322_172056.jpg.829a62f3ff2901903949553813486404.jpg^I'm mostly happy with the tip (it could use another runner, but two guides were glued together in the package.20210322_170052.jpg.f60eb5ee856f77628b38f8651dde256f.jpg^from this angle, the reduction train does not seem terrible.20210322_171920.jpg.894f7ad21315e41afbca88008ceffb93.jpg^from this angle, reduction train seems awful. Methinks the third/fourth guides should be pushed in closer, or...???

This would also allow two more runners, if they can be separated without damaging the rings. \/20210322_173941.jpg.d5a085f1469c54372eb443d782b56f74.jpg20210322_180214.jpg.251decf6ebe9d373433b6f3c0e5b17c8.jpg^ eyeballing the spool shaft, the angle to choke point seems unrealistic.

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^straightedge from spool shaft to fourth reduction guide.

 

Again, this is my first try at this, and hopefully you guys aren't sick of noobs constantly asking advice for guide layout. :)

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I think your stripper guide is too close at 18.5" from the spool, especially for 14lb Fireline on the Penn, test cast your set up and then move stripper out to around 21-22" and move choke point out to around 43" and cast again

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I'll give that a try, thank you.

With this guide set, would the choke point be 3rd ring of 8mm, or 4th of 6mm?

 

Can't wait for the local football fields to become unbarricaded from this covid-crap, for test casting.

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So I readjusted the guides and went to a park to try it out, and very first cast, something happened...like casted with the bail closed. Weight went flying, detached, and all the guides zippered right off the rod. The bail was open, and line was dangling freely prior (not tip wrapped.) 

Possibly the line coiled around a guide? 

Sigh...that's the 13th thing in a row that's gone wrong this weekend. I should just crawl into bed and re-emerge Monday, then re-order guides and tip top.

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Change the way your doing things slightly. You don't want the guides interfering with the blanks natural bend while setting up. Just tie the tip top to your weight, than run your reel's line through the guides and put a slight amount of tension on it with a small weight, with an 8 tip you should have no problem with starting your first guide from the tip at 5 inches and progress from there maybe 1/2 inch more at a time. ZAFisher made a good suggestion for the trying on the other side.

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My new tip arrived and this time i taped the guides on for test cast.

2ox weight (1-3oz rod) and the first gentle cast was ok enough. The 2nd cast of perhaps 50% effort once again zippered off all the guides- losing the tip top- with the line breaking/weight sailing. 

I just don't understand it.

At this point of nearly losing interest altogether, i'm just going to plow ahead and attach the guides at your guys' recommendations and see what happens.

For sure, i will then 100% know if i'll be buying lots of new equipment for a new hobby, or never bother with it again.

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I'm overall pleased with the guide wraps, although the metallic was difficult to get the tag cleanly out and trimmed close at the end.20210420_174414.jpg.665d930ce62f63afcad04c36f9130c91.jpg

I double, triple, quadruple checked all the guides, yet somehow managed to get the bottom two guides off-kilter and epoxied forever, crooked.

This weekend's test cast will determine what happens next.20210420_174337.jpg.28e239cd45b75af90db57a730565dc13.jpg

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It now casts infinitely quieter!

 

I now realize why the test casts stripped off the taped on guides (i think)...when pulling the line off the reel to thread it through the guides, it was binding hard on itself. The fresh Fireline (14#) is rather stiff and more flat than other, true braids. Coils were likely somewhat overlapping just a bit? No issues during or after actual use, having softened a bit.

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You did good, next time double-check and double-check the guides, they could move if you flex the rod some before epoxy. :th:

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