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posting casting videos for feedback?

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Hi,

 

  If I were to post links to YouTube videos,would y'all be kind enough to provide feedback on how I can improve my form? I grew up fishing from a boat so surfcasting is relatively new to me.

 

best,

 

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Post away, I'm sure folks would provide feedback.

 

I'm not an 850' expert, but, I would be happy to try to assist.

 

1. Current set up?

2. What are your goals?

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new to surfcasting, took a lesson a year ago at a field, then the pandemic and forgot it all. casting here a 13 foot 3-8oz surf rod, 15lb mono with 40lb mono shock leader throwing a 3 ounce sputnik. second time using rod, my sense is this flew around 100 yards, during lesson I did best with off the ground casts, flew 150 and I could feel my body and the rod loading up, this just doesn't feel right. the kinetic chain is off and I'm not working the rod but don't know how to fix. 

 

any feedback most welcome! thanks!

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Well I'll give it a shot.

 

For a new caster with a simple overhead cast (big rod) it looks pretty good to me.

At the start of the load the right hand pushes up, this is good as it starts the load in the butt section (more efficient). Followed by the left pull, all good.  What I don't see is acceleration.

 

To me acceleration is the key.  See Tommy Farmer's comments in a previous thread.

 

At some point add some body rotation.

 

Good luck,

 

Charlie

 

 

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thanks so much! i’ll take a look at what tommy f has to say, i’ve enjoyed his videos. 

 

 i played tennis in college and rotational energy is a big part of stroke production. if you take a look at my chest start to finish, it rotates towards the ocean. are you talking about something different?

 

i have an awful off the ground cast i need to shorten before posting, the rod loads up a lot better but my release was way off resulting in a much shorter cast. hopefully, i’ll garner a little more feedback in the meantime.

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For an OH thump get your left arm up, it is too close to your body,  will give you more pull, as it stands, I reckon you are relying more on right hand push than left hand pull

If you graduate to a cast that is more around your body, push your rod away from your body parallel to the ground

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Not bad at all. Good use of the body. Still, keep in mind to "uncoil" from the ground up. For a basic OTG cast I would recommend starting with the sinker tossed out behind you and "inside" the rod tip. This is a basic layback groundcast and a really good cast to practice proper body mechanics. It allows allows you to get the rod tip down (should start about 6" off the ground, NO SLACK in leader) AND allow you to get the left hand up. I like to see the left at about forehead height fully extended at the start. Start the cast with lower body, uncoil and cast. Look at a target that is 45 deg above the horizon over your intended splashdown point. Start slow, accelerate and finish with a burst of power and speed late. An alternate groundcast style would be to lay the sinker in toward your feet. This is a "Brighton" style cast. You must be careful to start slow and accelerate with this cast as it will severely bend the tip if hit too soon. You can break a rod tip this way.

 

I hope this helps

 

Tommy

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22 hours ago, ZAFisher said:

For an OH thump get your left arm up, it is too close to your body,  will give you more pull, as it stands, I reckon you are relying more on right hand push than left hand pull

If you graduate to a cast that is more around your body, push your rod away from your body parallel to the ground

thanks for the feedback! I did several shadow casts (no rig) outside the day before, pretty tough, with tennis we take shadow swings in front of a mirror and get instant feedback...not so easy with a 13 foot rod. Anyhow, during my shadow swings I found it was easier to find more pull with my left by changing grip pressure. Again, going back to tennis, we try to hold the racket like it's a potato chip that we don't want to break so I figured I'd use a very light grip with my right hand and a somewhat harder grip with my left. if nothing else it helped me be more aware of what each hand was doing.  

 

best,

 

 

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11 hours ago, Tommy said:

Not bad at all. Good use of the body. Still, keep in mind to "uncoil" from the ground up. For a basic OTG cast I would recommend starting with the sinker tossed out behind you and "inside" the rod tip. This is a basic layback groundcast and a really good cast to practice proper body mechanics. It allows allows you to get the rod tip down (should start about 6" off the ground, NO SLACK in leader) AND allow you to get the left hand up. I like to see the left at about forehead height fully extended at the start. Start the cast with lower body, uncoil and cast. Look at a target that is 45 deg above the horizon over your intended splashdown point. Start slow, accelerate and finish with a burst of power and speed late. An alternate groundcast style would be to lay the sinker in toward your feet. This is a "Brighton" style cast. You must be careful to start slow and accelerate with this cast as it will severely bend the tip if hit too soon. You can break a rod tip this way.

 

I hope this helps

 

Tommy

well thank you tommy, your post felt like Fed giving feedback on my forehand! We do a lot of uncoiling in tennis and it really all starts with bending our knees. Over the course of teaching tennis, I've come to realize everyone thinks they are bending their knees a lot more than they really are and in fact, I went back and watched your videos again and noticed you have a much deeper knee bend than me. I'm guessing it's complimentary to tennis in that we get the big muscles in the legs, shoulders and chest doing the heavy lifting by creating lag (loading/unloading).

 

as for my ground cast, I finally edited the video (it was way too long) and slowed it down some. It was taken before the first video so I didn't have the benefit of your suggestions but I did have the benefit of watching your videos a bunch before I gave it a try. 

 

best,

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Here then is my 5th ground cast. I had some better results before this cast but figured I'd learn more by posting a dud. This flew around 70 yards, pretty much a line drive. to my eye, it seems obvious the release point was way off but the rod does seem to be loading up a lot more than the OH cast.

 

I'll leave it at that, again any and all feedback appreciated! also, if it's easier I could post on YouTube and add a link here.

 

best, 

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dang, I left my 13 foot rod in fl, I have a daiwa reel here in ny, anyone have a suggestion for an inexpensive 13 foot rod I can learn with? once the snow melts, I'll find a local park for casting practice.

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Dicks may have a 12 or 13 ft ugly stick ,Amazon has a 3 piece 15 footer for 35 dollars  they will be slow, soft but it will get thru in a pinch 

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On 3/3/2021 at 11:07 AM, Tommy said:

Not bad at all. Good use of the body. Still, keep in mind to "uncoil" from the ground up. For a basic OTG cast I would recommend starting with the sinker tossed out behind you and "inside" the rod tip. This is a basic layback groundcast and a really good cast to practice proper body mechanics. It allows allows you to get the rod tip down (should start about 6" off the ground, NO SLACK in leader) AND allow you to get the left hand up. I like to see the left at about forehead height fully extended at the start. Start the cast with lower body, uncoil and cast. Look at a target that is 45 deg above the horizon over your intended splashdown point. Start slow, accelerate and finish with a burst of power and speed late. An alternate groundcast style would be to lay the sinker in toward your feet. This is a "Brighton" style cast. You must be careful to start slow and accelerate with this cast as it will severely bend the tip if hit too soon. You can break a rod tip this way.

 

I hope this helps

 

Tommy

Tommy, love your YouTube videos and DVD.  Made all the difference for me reaching the outer bar on Assateague.  Thanks.

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