bob_G Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 min ago, b-ware said: Better yet, hows about a Davey Cracker squirrel hunt, using squirrel rifles of course and then a squirrel supper at the Ritz and drinks at the Town House afterwords................. Hmmm, I got me a hankerin' for some squirrel on a stick, Davey Cracker style. The Sultan of Sluggo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 30 mins ago, mikez2 said: I'd like to see that article. That contradicts what I understand about ocean acidification. Typically climate change is blamed. I can't think of a way nitrogen would change the pH of water. Perhaps you were thinking of the "nitrogen cycle" being disrupted by acidification? I believe the article Carl is referring to is in today's Cape Cod Times, under News, titled..... "Study---Acidic ocean could devastate shellfish industry." Unsure if you can cut and paste CCC articles, but take a look. Article initially mentions runoffs but then segues to other chemical reactions Edited February 11, 2021 by Joe G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-ware Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 43 mins ago, Joe G said: I believe the article Carl is referring to is in today's Cape Cod Times, under News, titled..... "Study---Acidic ocean could devastate shellfish industry." Unsure if you can cut and paste CCC articles, but take a look. Article initially mentions runoffs but then segues to other chemical reactions I read the article and it makes a lot more sense to spend the funds the wasteful folks want to spend on the bridges and roadways and invest them in the enviroment. We have to protect mother nature before the Cape Cod Tourist industry............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikez2 Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 49 mins ago, Joe G said: I believe the article Carl is referring to is in today's Cape Cod Times, under News, titled..... "Study---Acidic ocean could devastate shellfish industry." Unsure if you can cut and paste CCC articles, but take a look. Article initially mentions runoffs but then segues to other chemical reactions So I read the article. The first few paragraphs talk about septic systems but make absolutely no connection to ocean acidification. It was a ploy to scare people who believe treatment plants will harm the shellfish industry. It had zero connection to the study on ocean acidification. They counted on people to only read the sensationalized opening paragraphs without reading about the actual study. The goal appears to be to cause a false link between septic runoff and acidification. It apparently worked as seen in Angler 1's post. Here is the paragraph that spells out the cause of the acidification that can harm shellfish. You had to read the whole article. From CCT; "Ocean acidification occurs when carbon dioxide in the air is absorbed at a rate and quantity that lowers the pH, a measure of how acidic or alkaline a liquid is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 14 mins ago, mikez2 said: So I read the article. The first few paragraphs talk about septic systems but make absolutely no connection to ocean acidification. It was a ploy to scare people who believe treatment plants will harm the shellfish industry. It had zero connection to the study on ocean acidification. They counted on people to only read the sensationalized opening paragraphs without reading about the actual study. The goal appears to be to cause a false link between septic runoff and acidification. It apparently worked as seen in Angler 1's post. Well said....false link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-ware Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 You guys are right, the multiplyer effect from septic systems and their by products have absoloutly nothing to do with the polloution, by what ever name, of our water bodies............... FizzyFish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angler #1 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, mikez2 said: So I read the article. The first few paragraphs talk about septic systems but make absolutely no connection to ocean acidification. It was a ploy to scare people who believe treatment plants will harm the shellfish industry. It had zero connection to the study on ocean acidification. They counted on people to only read the sensationalized opening paragraphs without reading about the actual study. The goal appears to be to cause a false link between septic runoff and acidification. It apparently worked as seen in Angler 1's post. Here is the paragraph that spells out the cause of the acidification that can harm shellfish. You had to read the whole article. From CCT; "Ocean acidification occurs when carbon dioxide in the air is absorbed at a rate and quantity that lowers the pH, a measure of how acidic or alkaline a liquid is." Mike what I posted was what reading this article was about. I do not believe that having properly operated treatment plants and being discharged into the open ocean waters should cause any affects on what may come in contact with , such as fin fish or shellfish. I believe the worst thing for shell fish and fin fish is the rising temperature of the water. This I have witnessed. over the past several .years right here inside of Cape Cod Bay. Perhaps there may be a correlation between how acidfication has an affect , but that subject matter is for some one else to determine. Which it appeared this article was doing Peace and Prayers Life member M.B.B.A #509 Life member Izaak Walton Fishing Association Life member Cape Cod Canal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikez2 Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 min ago, b-ware said: You guys are right, the multiplyer effect from septic systems and their by products have absoloutly nothing to do with the polloution, by what ever name, of our water bodies............... Sarcasm aside, it has nothing to do with acidification and the article never actually says it does. The headline and opening paragraphs are a bait n switch to try to lead people down a false path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles Dare Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, bob_G said: I thought 5-15 seemed short? I like late season hunts, but sometimes the bugs are tough. It's all fun and games until the mosquitos hatch. Black flies I can deal with. I'll have mine on the rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FizzyFish Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, mikez2 said: Sarcasm aside, it has nothing to do with acidification and the article never actually says it does. The headline and opening paragraphs are a bait n switch to try to lead people down a false path. from the CC Times article in question. Guess you didn't read the whole article. “The larval stages are when shellfish are most vulnerable,” said Jennie Rheuban, a research specialist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution focused on marine chemistry and geochemistry. Rheuban is also the research coordinator at Woods Hole Sea Grant. She said early larval forms depend on their yolk sac for food and are more susceptible to changes in water chemistry, she said. The report found that in coastal areas, ocean acidification was compounded by nutrient pollution. Explosive algal growth resulted in more CO2 being released into the water by respiration and decay. That was on top of already elevated ocean acidity. Areas where there are freshwater inputs, like river mouths, or springs, can have even lower amounts of carbonate ions to use in shellbuilding. The report cited a 2019 study by Rheuban and others that tracked nutrients from five different watersheds that fed into Buzzards Bay. The increased nitrogen content in these freshwater inputs resulted in lower calcium carbonate levels in those areas of the bay. “Nutrient pollution is the big driver of acidity in coastal environments,” said Rheuban. The stress of shellbuilding could also combine with other stressors associated with climate change, such as higher water temperatures, to make some species even more at risk. Edited February 12, 2021 by FizzyFish " I did my worst, but I did it well " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikez2 Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 7 mins ago, FizzyFish said: from the CC Times article in question. Guess you didn't read the whole article. “The larval stages are when shellfish are most vulnerable,” said Jennie Rheuban, a research specialist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution focused on marine chemistry and geochemistry. Rheuban is also the research coordinator at Woods Hole Sea Grant. She said early larval forms depend on their yolk sac for food and are more susceptible to changes in water chemistry, she said. The report found that in coastal areas, ocean acidification was compounded by nutrient pollution. Explosive algal growth resulted in more CO2 being released into the water by respiration and decay. That was on top of already elevated ocean acidity. Areas where there are freshwater inputs, like river mouths, or springs, can have even lower amounts of carbonate ions to use in shellbuilding. The report cited a 2019 study by Rheuban and others that tracked nutrients from five different watersheds that fed into Buzzards Bay. The increased nitrogen content in these freshwater inputs resulted in lower calcium carbonate levels in those areas of the bay. “Nutrient pollution is the big driver of acidity in coastal environments,” said Rheuban. The stress of shellbuilding could also combine with other stressors associated with climate change, such as higher water temperatures, to make some species even more at risk. No I didn't. I speed read far enough to find what I expected to find and glossed over the rest. Thanks for pointing that out. My apologies for my mistake and my comments that resulted. finbar, FizzyFish and riggler 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FizzyFish Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 accepted mikez2 1 " I did my worst, but I did it well " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unskunk Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 18 hours ago, b-ware said: Did she have a twin called Bi-Annual??? no......semi....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kones1 Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 Don’t you think industrial pollution has a bigger effect than septic tanks and lawn fertilizer ? Dumping all types of stuff offshore can’t be to blame either can it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 Well played, Gordy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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