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How is charter boat different than commercial fishing?

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Question for MakoMike:  How is charter boat fishing different from commercial fishing ?   money is still being made from catching and killing stripped bass. 

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I moved your post out of Mike's thread into it's own. It's a valid question and a good topic for discussion, but it was entirely off topic in his "I need your help" thread.

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I believe it is. A commercial guys leave port with the idea to kill the 15 largest cows he can.

 

I think we are seeing a trend where some captains and some charters see the writing on the wall and don’t take everything they can, just because they can. 

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It’s different in that the charter/party fleet gets paid by taking recreational fishermen out to fish. The commercial fishermen get paid based on how much they catch. There is a big difference there. It’s like accusing the marinas of commercial fishing because they sell fuel to recreational boats.

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so are you saying that charter boats get paid to "go fishing"  and the catching and keeping of fish is not the main agenda ?

So would stripped bass as a game fish be viable to "charter boat fishing" ?

 

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Mike I have always felt that those who run charter boats for a living are a commercial fishermen . I know the difference you mention above , however that has been beliefs most of my life.     I was convinced even more when during the last of the speed jigging of Chatham I saw what the good majority of charter boat captains were doing to the resource. They would take out a charter and let the sport take home a fish and sell the remainder to the open market. They would let the sports catch the 30 fish allocation in some cases and come in and sell the fish, some times they would take two trips and sell both with different tags. They were making money on both ends of the situation and for what it is worth they had no controls over them them to do otherwise. Peace and Prayers

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1 min ago, FizzyFish said:

so are you saying that charter boats get paid to "go fishing"  and the catching and keeping of fish is not the main agenda ?

So would stripped bass as a game fish be viable to "charter boat fishing" ?

 

I believe that it wouldn’t have any impact on the charter/party fleet.

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If you get paid to fish or put people on fish I consider it commercial. I was on a charter boat and said I didn't want to keep a 42" fish that I had caught, the mate said they could keep 6 fish 6 guys were on the boat and he kept it. I didn't book the charter I was a guest of a friend of a friend but charter to me is commercial fishing they are getting paid to catch fish. 

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One could see that as an example , however I would be more concerned if the charter of 6  kept more than that allowed . I understand your feeling and as you were part of the charter feel you should have the right to release the fish you catch if that is your right to do so. 

I know some charters also make regulations that are more stringent than what is posted in the regulations in order to better protect the resource they are fishing.

When it comes to striped bass and it is a selling day is when some regulations go out the window. Like I posted above during the height of the speed jigging days it was legal to take 30 fish at one time and some of these charters would take on a charter and catch 30 fish , but only allow the sport to keep one or two fish . They would sell the rest and then go out for another trip and take the fish to a beach drop point where some one else was waiting to market them . The charter commercialism was operating to a point where even the small fish were sold that did not meet the minim size.  Fillet at sea and brought to a beach drop off point for some restaurant to cook up and sell.  One thing for sure If I was part of a charter I would make it clear to the captain that you want to release all your fish or keep a certain size to eat Peace and prayers

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A commercial boat only makes money if they catch and kill.

 

A charter boat makes money just for taking people out to enjoy the sport, regardless of what is caught or killed.

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15 hours ago, Angler #1 said:

Mike I have always felt that those who run charter boats for a living are a commercial fishermen . I know the difference you mention above , however that has been beliefs most of my life.     I was convinced even more when during the last of the speed jigging of Chatham I saw what the good majority of charter boat captains were doing to the resource. They would take out a charter and let the sport take home a fish and sell the remainder to the open market. They would let the sports catch the 30 fish allocation in some cases and come in and sell the fish, some times they would take two trips and sell both with different tags. They were making money on both ends of the situation and for what it is worth they had no controls over them them to do otherwise. Peace and Prayers

Weren’t you out on a commercial boat fishing on commercial fishing days a few years ago saying you were not a commercial fisherman? 

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1 hour ago, ged said:

Weren’t you out on a commercial boat fishing on commercial fishing days a few years ago saying you were not a commercial fisherman? 

Let me go make some popcorn. :laugh:

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15 hours ago, StickinLips said:

If you get paid to fish or put people on fish I consider it commercial. I was on a charter boat and said I didn't want to keep a 42" fish that I had caught, the mate said they could keep 6 fish 6 guys were on the boat and he kept it. I didn't book the charter I was a guest of a friend of a friend but charter to me is commercial fishing they are getting paid to catch fish. 

That sounds like someone paid money to catch fish so the boat could sell/keep it.     :kook:

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1 hour ago, ged said:

Weren’t you out on a commercial boat fishing on commercial fishing days a few years ago saying you were not a commercial fisherman? 

I am not , I never held a commercial permit, never sold a striper . in my almost 77 years fishing for them.

 

I fish with some one that has every commercial permit allowed however. That does not make me a commercial fishermen .

I consider myself a pure recreational fishermen, even though I had plenty of opportunities to do so I never took advantage of the situation , but I support and have supported the selling of any fish providing, they have the legal permits that allows them to do so and do not poach.            Get the popcorn ready Peace and Prayers

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2 mins ago, FizzyFish said:

That sounds like someone paid money to catch fish so the boat could sell/keep it.     :kook:

Fizzy that was a common practice in another time and some charter boat captains did very well at it. Peace and prayers

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