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Are DEMs still telling you they don't want to "take" your guns & ammo ?

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Don't laugh at this. Just because they are focused on long-ago ceased production Black Talon and .50cal ammo (not just BMG btw) does not mean they are not serious. If one gets away with banning "armor-piercing" ammo, how long until your standard 5.56 and 7.62 ball ammo are considered armor-piercing? They never say anything about soft-armor vs rifle plates, do they? And since LEOs are not wearing plates outside of SRU types, then all that FMJ can be argued to be armor-piercing. 

 

Of course, the FUDDS and know-nothings will say "Oh, armor-piercing, who needs that?"

 

Any Deagle owners out there? 

 

And the author's faith in Manchin is foolish me thinks.....

 

Democrat House Already Planning Gun Control Bills

Emboldened by their newly-united government, Democrats, particularly Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas) have already introduced a raft of new gun control legislation — most of which does not even yet have text.

The almost spray-and-pray tactic is a wish-list of liberal infringements on the hated Second Amendment.

 

We have HR 127 “To provide for the licensing of firearm and ammunition possession and the registration of firearms, and to prohibit the possession of certain ammunition.”

 

What that “certain ammunition” is, is unclear, but in the past the gun grabbers have railed against “armor piercing” ammunition (commonly purchased 5.56 mm NATO green tips, for instance) among others.

Indeed the Giffords Law Center specifically states:

Moreover, certain types of ammunition, such as armor-piercing handgun ammunition, 50 caliber rounds, and Black Talon bullets, pose a particular danger to the public and to law enforcement, and serve no legitimate sporting purpose. Strict controls on the manufacture, transfer, and possession of these types of ammunition can help promote public safety. 

Never mind that Black Talon (which were never armor piercing or uniquely deadly) has been off the market for public sale since 1993, and production ceased entirely in 2000. And .50 caliber covers a lot of ground from very common blackpowder hunting rifles, to sniper rifles to .50AE handgun rounds. But are so rarely used in actual crimes, that the Violence Policy center has to resort to peppering the few times someone actually shot at someone with one, with anecdotes of people simply possessing a Barrett .50 (or similar) when arrested for something else.

 

Note, well, Jackson-Lee not only wants you to have to register your firearms — not that they’d ever come confiscate them … comrade — but they want you to have to buy a federal license to buy or possess firearms or ammunition. 

 

Any half-way intelligent student of the Constitution would see this is a prima facie violation of not just the Second, but also the 10th Amendment as this is properly a decision for the Several States — if the incoming regime cared a whit for such things as the Constitution in the first place.

 

Next we have H.R.130 – “To require the safe storage of firearms and ammunition, and to require the investigation of reports of improper storage of firearms or ammunition.”

 

Well of course, who wouldn’t want firearms and ammo stored properly? Of course Barking Mad Jackson-Lee and I probably have very different definitions of what “properly” means, but the truly chilling part here is “… and to require the investigation of reports of improper storage …”

 

Surely your anti-gun neighbor won’t inform on you will he?

 

A few more from the hit parade:

H.R.167 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)

To prohibit the transfer of a firearm at a gun show by a person who is not a federally licensed firearms dealer.

Sponsor: Rep. Green, Al [D-TX-9] (Introduced 01/04/2021) Cosponsors: 0

 

H.R.121 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)

To provide for the hiring of 200 additional Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents and investigators to enforce gun laws.

Sponsor: Rep. Jackson Lee, Sheila [D-TX-18] (Introduced 01/04/2021) Cosponsors: 0

 

Committees: House – Judiciary

H.R.135 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)

To require the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to report to the Congress semiannually on the number of firearms transfers resulting from the failure to complete a background check within 3 business days, and the procedures followed after it is discovered that a firearm transfer has been made to a transferee who is ineligible to receive a firearm.

Sponsor: Rep. Jackson Lee, Sheila [D-TX-18] (Introduced 01/04/2021) Cosponsors: 0

There are as well, several bills by Republicans which would do a few things that make sense — like remove suppressors from the NFA list, concealed carry reciprocity and a few others. All — well I would say Dead On Arrival, but these are stillborn.

 

One bill that I will shortly be diving into in depth is H.R.30, the Gun Trafficking Prohibition Act, Sponsored by Bobby L. Rush, (D-Illinois). This one actually has text, rather than being just a shell, and is something that really bears watching.

 

One hopes that with (somewhat) conservative (relatively speaking) Sen. Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia) basically holding more power than Senate Majority Leader Chuck Shumer (D-New York) much of this will remain a wish list, but if any of this passes, gun owners are in for dark days indeed.

 

One would also hope to have pushback from SCOTUS, but since the landmark Heller and McDonald decisions, SCOTUS has been remarkably — perhaps disturbingly — reluctant to take on any new gun rights cases. With the Court set to consider accepting a number of Second Amendment cases in the next few months, we’ll soon get a better idea of how strong an ally the Court will be in protecting our constitutional rights. 

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“And serve no legitimate sporting purpose”

 

When are people going to realize that the 2a ain’t about sport or hunting. 
 

You’d think after this past summer, it would have shed some light and maybe it did, but who knows. 
 

You wanna know when you need “armor piercing” bullets?  When tyrants hide behind shields 

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5 hours ago, saltydawg said:

After seeing the Covid testing and vaccine efforts, getting 400 million guns registered should be a cinch! 

I lost mine :why:

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12 hours ago, Jmat321 said:

Where does it say they want to take away guns?

Would it suit you better if they said they don't want to take away your gasoline powered cars, but they are just going to outlaw gasoline.

 

And as the article points out, they focus on a specific bullet that made headlines and people still remember, but has not been produced for decades. Since then many other designs have come out that are more destructive. But the idiots making these bills have no idea what they are talking about. They just use pictures and phrases that the general public have heard of an can drive fear with.

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7 mins ago, ihocky2 said:

Would it suit you better if they said they don't want to take away your gasoline powered cars, but they are just going to outlaw gasoline.

 

And as the article points out, they focus on a specific bullet that made headlines and people still remember, but has not been produced for decades. Since then many other designs have come out that are more destructive. But the idiots making these bills have no idea what they are talking about. They just use pictures and phrases that the general public have heard of an can drive fear with.

So they want to outlaw all bullets?  Or just a specific type?  

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1 min ago, Jmat321 said:

So they want to outlaw all bullets?  Or just a specific type?  

This article mentions specific ones, but unless you have had your head buried in the sand you know this has been a common target for years now. That darned Supreme Court and Constitution keep getting in the way of taking the guns. But they figured out that guns are just clubs if they don't have bullets.

 

They are also using vague terms like "armor piercing". True AP rounds (black tips) are not for sale to civilians. M855 (green tips) have a steel penetrator core. They will not penetrate plate body armor, but will penetrate soft armor. But then again so will the lead core 55 grain ball. What is the definition of "armor piercing"? The most common hunting round, 30-06, will penetrate all but the very highest levels of body armor with common hunting rounds. The pistol round FN5.7 will defeat pistol rated body armor due to velocity and small diameter, but it has not designed armor piercing ability.

 

No new production of lead in the US was a shrouded shot at bullet manufacturers. Background checks to buy ammo has been suggested. Requiring serial numbers on each bullet has been suggested (which makes manufacturing cost prohibitive), and significantly impacts the home reloaders. Heavily taxing ammo has been brought up. Restrictions on volume of ammo sold.

 

Much of the smokeless powder production has been moved overseas. Usually chased by the weaponized EPA.

 

But no, they are not targeting ammo.

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