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Automotive Clear Coats

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Have any of you guys experimented with auto clears?  I hear they are the best option and way more durable and reliable than epoxy.  I have a ton of unfinished plugs (somewhere around 200 plugs). That I’m looking to finish and don’t think I could epoxy them all.  I hate epoxy, fish eyes, high spots, fast curing time, drips, etc, epoxy is a pain.  What do you guys recommend in the ways of properly doing this?  These 200 plugs are just what I have already turned, some raw, some sealed, some primed and others painted.  I’m definitely going to start turning out lots of plugs as I just invested in a huge delta lathe, the larger Vega duplicator, multiple dust collectors, an air filter, etc.  Here is a pic of a few of the already painted plugs (lordship agitators).  I tried epoxying a few of them but they just started to peel.  I believe the paint used is made for auto clear to be the best sealed wood/primer/paint/clear adhesion.  Thanks for your help

-Tommy 

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I know the finishing method lordship used is a good one because you can see on this agitator that I got directly from him that there is no peeling of paint.  Just wear in the spots where hook rash occurs.

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Tommy I am looking into doing this as well but as Professor said you cannot play around with a half ass setup for a duct.   You have to build a REAL paint booth that will suck those toxins and vapors.  Breathing that stuff will do some serious damage.  With that being said I am piecing everything together and once I am setup, I'll be experimenting with it as well.   Is it better?  we shall see, at least I will have a good gauge on what I feel is good, I am really happy with my current epoxy process and my only complaint is the time consuming process of it. 

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I saw this in a search but I always used thee 2 part auto type just go to your auto parts place that sells auto paint ., works great but you have to throw out what you don't use . You have to have high dollar mask to breath even if brushing the automotive type . It hold up great  .I think I paid like $70 a quart with hardener.

I don't know anything about the stuff in the video , reely

 

 

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hey guys, i have been in the auto collision biz for 45 yrs, and have been making my own plugs since the late 80s, now epoxy vs auto clear coat ? imo , and this is just me, auto clearcoat is the way to go if you have the right circumstances ,are they durable  ? todays ceramic and high solid clearcoats are very,and with that said no finish on a plug is going to last forever. are they easy to apply ? with the right setup yes far easier then epoxy, price about the same , but a qt set of clear will do 3 times as many plugs as the same amount of epoxy, now I know this is contreversial but imo plug action is far better,why do I say this i ve taken a good few quote famous plug builders lures stripped the finish and have found them to perform much better, now safety ? by no means should it be sprayed indoors unless you have a serious spraybooth, and yes with the right componets you can build one, me I spray outdoors when the weathers good and with a good mask bout 30$, now for you guys that think epoxy is less toxic,your kidding yourself, both contain the catalyst poly isocyanates , just because you cant see it smell it , it still give off very toxic vapors, I have worked with many epoxies of different forms over the yrs and have them to be alot more harmful then most things i have sprayed . again folks not preaching here just iom

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25 mins ago, bugsbenny said:

hey guys, i have been in the auto collision biz for 45 yrs, and have been making my own plugs since the late 80s, now epoxy vs auto clear coat ? imo , and this is just me, auto clearcoat is the way to go if you have the right circumstances ,are they durable  ? todays ceramic and high solid clearcoats are very,and with that said no finish on a plug is going to last forever. are they easy to apply ? with the right setup yes far easier then epoxy, price about the same , but a qt set of clear will do 3 times as many plugs as the same amount of epoxy, now I know this is contreversial but imo plug action is far better,why do I say this i ve taken a good few quote famous plug builders lures stripped the finish and have found them to perform much better, now safety ? by no means should it be sprayed indoors unless you have a serious spraybooth, and yes with the right componets you can build one, me I spray outdoors when the weathers good and with a good mask bout 30$, now for you guys that think epoxy is less toxic,your kidding yourself, both contain the catalyst poly isocyanates , just because you cant see it smell it , it still give off very toxic vapors, I have worked with many epoxies of different forms over the yrs and have them to be alot more harmful then most things i have sprayed . again folks not preaching here just iom

Thanks for the response, I agree with you that you get a better action with auto clears.  It’s as if the epoxy dampens the action of the plug.  

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Top to bottom (all lordships turned and sealed by Ron, top and bottom are finished by me)

Primed with a rattle can, painted with a rattle can, and clear coated with e Tex.

Original lordship agitator with his primer, his paint (createx), and his auto clear.

Primed and painted by lordship finished with e Tex by me.

They are all fished roughly the same amount.  You can see how the epoxy doesn’t stand up nearly as well.  

 

 

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t-man7 ,you better get busy

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 Good post bugsbenny in my opinion

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I couldn't get a decent pic of one of the first lures I made with auto clear paint , but it shines and lasts . Several boys at the flea market have had me pain their lures over after seeing my finish . I paint over plastics , wood  or metal . Auto paints have been good to me . It sure saves time and results are nice  .

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1 min ago, Olin said:

t-man7 ,you better get busy

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 Good post bugsbenny in my opinion

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I couldn't get a decent pic of one of the first lures I made with auto clear paint , but it shines and lasts . Several boys at the flea market have had me pain there lures over after seeing my finish . I paint over plastics , wood  or metal . Auto paints have been good to me . It sure saves time and results are nice  .

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Looks very clean, no bubbles in that finish.

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13 mins ago, t_man7 said:

Looks very clean, no bubbles in that finish.

Thanks , for one of my firsts is turned out good , just like all the rest , I quit trying on the epoxy , doing the turning and bubble stuff .

 

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25 mins ago, Olin said:

Thanks , for one of my firsts is turned out good , just like all the rest , I quit trying on the epoxy , doing the turning and bubble stuff .

 

Is there a specific brand auto clear you recommend?  If you would like to keep it secret that’s okay.

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