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A little bit of Snake Fly, Angus Fly and Beastmaster General

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I'm opening this thread on this Forum (instead of on the Fly Tying Forum) because it flows from the thread "New Tabory book" where at one point the discussion mentioned and somewhat veered to three  specific flies: Lou Tabory's famous Snake Fly, Jack Gartside's Beastmaster General and Eric Leiser's Angus Fly. I had tied a lot of Beastmaster Generals and a few Snakes but had never heard about the Angus. So I went looking, found and watched the two  Misiura's videos on it and looked at the picture of Anguses posted by  HillTop on the Tabory book thread (thinking initially that they were BMS with a different profile).

 

So decided to tie one with roots in all three (but certainly not as simple as a Snake Fly).20201128_142106.jpg.947d677958a61c4b554ef564122384cf.jpgTied on a Mustad S74SNP #1/0 hook, about 5" long. Tail is 4 white hackles tied splayed on the sides and top of hook, under a bunch of olive ostrich herls and a bit of flash on each side. Then a wound color of white marabou with the the top covered by olive marabou fibers. Then a short body of pearl flat braid followed by a second collar same as the other . Finally a collar and head of deer body hair, olive on top and white on bottom. With an overall profile more in line with the BM than the others (in part because of its bulky, not tapered and square-faced head). Fun to tie... if, like me, you  tie more as a hobby and... are  not in a hurry.

 

And for comparison a BM as per Gartside's sbs. Same hook, about 4" long.20201128_142206.jpg.4fe556256f9d0c8f58d4fdf750e1601b.jpg

 

 

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Very nicely done Suave.

 

Knowing you like to tie some of the originals have you tied Tabory's Slab Side Fly ?   Above reminded me a little of this fly.   If not here's a SBS from Jaworowski's "Essential Saltwater Flies".

 

HT

 

 

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17 hours ago, Foureel said:

That is a nice tie.  I bet it swims with lots of action and pushes water

Thank you. I haven't tried it yet but Ive fished another baitfish pattern with a tail made of a bunch of ostrich  herls over a sparse platform of bucktail and the tail has a lot of action. So with the added splayed hackles in the tail of this "hybrid", as well as the marabou collars, it should have at least as much action and most probably even more. And having fished the "regular" Beastmaster General for a number of years, I can vouch that it does push water.

 

Here's what Gartside writes about the BMG in his "Striper Strategies" book (p.107): "This is the same fly as the Beastmaster but with a deer hair head......This variation is useful when you want a large commotion fly to fish just under the surface. You can also grease the head and fish it slowly across the surface."

 

I've fished mine basically  subsurface with success. And it's the favorite fly of a friend of mine whow fishes it on top as a waking or slider fly and gets spectacular takes.

 

 

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I love tying and fishing these patterns. They’re great night patterns and also can keep you up out of the rocks. Tying in the hackle flatwing style also helps them to suspend or stay on top.  I often tie smaller ones with a collar of crosscut rabbit instead of marabou.  
    

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22 hours ago, Kml said:

By far one of my favorite all time fly’s. 

 

Glad to read that. Do you tie it in the colors as per the sbs posted above or in other color schemes and, in that case, what is your favorite one?

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4 hours ago, Linesidesonthefly said:

All flies posted here are quite excellent. Great tying. 
Here’s a idea. How about a head finished like a Rich Murphy fly?

Epoxy or UV coated Corsair. 

Thank you. Bur not sure about your idea at least with respect to the BMG or the hybrid I tied. I don't do epoxy flies so won't respond to that suggestion but, last winter, I did tie about a dozen of the Conomo Special variation as proposed by The Graveyard Shift on another SOL thread. I used E-Z Body tubing both as a spreader for the material I used and for the head. Considering that the body on the two flies I posted here is a thin braid body surrounded by marabou collars, I don't see how that would work and I suspect you'd end up with only  two not as good subsurface flies and loosing the option of fishing them topwater.

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20 mins ago, Suave said:

Thank you. Bur not sure about your idea at leat with respect to the BMG or the hybrid I tied. I don't do epoxy flies but, last winter, I did tie about a dozen of the Conomo Special variation as proposed by The Graveyard Shift on another SOL thread. I used E-Z Body tubing both as a spreader for the material I used and for the head. Considering that the body on the two flies I posted here is a thin braid body surrounded by marabou collars, I don't see how that would work and I suspect you'd end up with only  two not as good subsurface flies and loosing the option of fishing them topwater.

The Conomo special is a suspending fly correct? Sometimes the fish want one presented just under the surface. And that’s why the suggestion was posted. Back to your regular scheduled programming. 

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1 hour ago, Linesidesonthefly said:

The Conomo special is a suspending fly correct? Sometimes the fish want one presented just under the surface. And that’s why the suggestion was posted. Back to your regular scheduled programming. 

I'm no expert on the Conomo Special nor on Rich Murphy's other patterns as I think you are if I gather correctly from some of your old posts Ive read. That being said, and in all deference,   in the dressing of the  original Conomo I found in a Tom Kerr article, I see nothing  that should make it a suspending fly. Nor in the TGS variation I followed in tying mine. But TGS did come up with another variation to make it so, by adding foam on the shank before tying on the tubing  for the head.

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Google Jeff Smith and the now defunct website flyfishingsaltwaters.com. During the site's active period I thought a few of his patterns were some of the best looking SB flies on the internet, especially his Buffy, Meathead and Crabstah flies. The Buffie looked like a general use pattern, but the other two looked to be more for surface or in the film use, but could be fished deeper with sink tip lines and/or weighting the flies. Regarding weighting a fly, why is that the way to go when there are so many different types of sinking lines available today?

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