Casting distance or action?

[t_man7]

What would you rather have in a metal lip, Cast ability or action?

[ASrod]

Action. People buy other plugs for distance. A metal lip is meant to be a metal lip.

[numbskull]

Good luck catching fish you can’t reach.

There is a reason guys loaded redfins. 

Edited November 28, 2020 by numbskull

[DZ]

All depends- some very specific areas don’t require much distance.  Atom made some special order versions of their Juniors “unweighted”.   I remember taking a special trip to Murats tackle in Woonsocket RI just to buy them.  Most builders probably don’t have the luxury of offering different weights but it would be a unique option to say the least.

[ermghoti]

3 hours ago, numbskull said:

Good luck catching fish you can’t reach.

There is a reason guys loaded redfins. 

This can go either way. A plug that moves like an abandoned marital aid isn't catching a lot of fish irrespective of how far it can be thrown. A plug with hypnotic action that casts like a lawn chair could at least be trolled from a boat, or maybe drifted over fish by a shorebound angler.

[Wire For Fire]

4 hours ago, numbskull said:

Good luck catching fish you can’t reach.

There is a reason guys loaded redfins. 

Yup this . Metal lip ain’t doing nothing if it’s not where the fish are 

[jimmy z]

Ya always need action but sometimes ya need the distance too

[Popasilov]

Chicken or egg?

 

 

 

[Sweetwater]

If distance was most important, everyone would be throwing tins first. Instead, we spend a lot of time manipulating lures to allow better distance without killing action. 
 

I submit that profile is more important than action or distance. 

[Kima]

Action every time.  If I need a swimming plug that casts farther I'll put on a bottle.

[numbskull]

Consider also that Atom made a very heavily weighted junior that sank like a stone and had no action whatsoever at any normal retrieve speed.  Daignault writes (Striper Surf page 177-178) of trying one one cold RI am after an unproductive night and getting # 52 out of nowhere. He considered it a freak and didn’t try it again until 3 years later when he again threw it on a whim and it got him a second 52# fish.

 

Depth, profile, necessary retrieve speed, castability are all as or more crucial than action.  Bucktails catch a lot of fish and they don’t wiggle very much.

 

I love metal lips and fish them all the time but if conditions require something else to reach the target zone I’m definitely changing plugs.

[JoeGBreezy]

Only the fish know what matters, and they often tell us. Profile +++.

 

[jimmy z]

1 hour ago, numbskull said:

Consider also that Atom made a very heavily weighted junior that sank like a stone and had no action whatsoever at any normal retrieve speed.  Daignault writes (Striper Surf page 177-178) of trying one one cold RI am after an unproductive night and getting # 52 out of nowhere. He considered it a freak and didn’t try it again until 3 years later when he again threw it on a whim and it got him a second 52# fish.

 

Depth, profile, necessary retrieve speed, castability are all as or more crucial than action.  Bucktails catch a lot of fish and they don’t wiggle very much.

 

I love metal lips and fish them all the time but if conditions require something else to reach the target zone I’m definitely changing plugs.

A bass will feel the vibes from the action first, then seek it prey.

[jimmy z]

1 hour ago, numbskull said:

Consider also that Atom made a very heavily weighted junior that sank like a stone and had no action whatsoever at any normal retrieve speed.  Daignault writes (Striper Surf page 177-178) of trying one one cold RI am after an unproductive night and getting # 52 out of nowhere. He considered it a freak and didn’t try it again until 3 years later when he again threw it on a whim and it got him a second 52# fish.

 

Depth, profile, necessary retrieve speed, castability are all as or more crucial than action.  Bucktails catch a lot of fish and they don’t wiggle very much.

 

I love metal lips and fish them all the time but if conditions require something else to reach the target zone I’m definitely changing plugs.

Prolly went right in front of the bass' nose, lol That would be the only way a bass would hit a dead plug

[t_man7]

1 hour ago, jimmy z said:

Prolly went right in front of the bass' nose, lol That would be the only way a bass would hit a dead plug

You would be surprised by how little some prey species actually move.  More often than not they are just gliding by saving energy.