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Interesting times with teachers unions balking at returning to work while state Governors want to open schools.  Could this portend breaking municipal public employees unions?  Do you see anything potentially happening?  
I just remember what Reagan did when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers for going on strike.

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There should be a framework that unions operate under just as there should be for non union entities. If state declares schools open, the teachers all have sick days like anyone else. 

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13 mins ago, DZ said:

Interesting times with teachers unions balking at returning to work while state Governors want to open schools.  Could this portend breaking municipal public employees unions?  Do you see anything potentially happening?  
I just remember what Reagan did when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers for going on strike.

Bottom line...….

They are trying to leverage working during the pandemic for more money.

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The schools should just say Ok, don't want to work, we don't want to pay you.

We will go to totally on line learning. We will script all the lessons, have a professional speaker recite the lines.

Nice knowing you.

No need to come back for you stuff, it will be in the dumpster, should you want it.

Get it quickly, though. The wrecking and demolition crew is arriving next week, and in 6 months this property will be luxury, low income, affordable housing.

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34 mins ago, DZ said:

Interesting times with teachers unions balking at returning to work while state Governors want to open schools.  Could this portend breaking municipal public employees unions?  Do you see anything potentially happening?  
I just remember what Reagan did when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers for going on strike.

No. And the comparison to the ATC unions is not apt because back then there was a single employer of those folks, the federal government, which could fire them all with one pen stroke. 

 

There are thousands of school districts each with its own contract with teachers. Even though the teachers all belong to a national union, there is no single employer that could do what happened to the ATCs. 

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1 hour ago, Gotcow? said:

Bottom line...….

They are trying to leverage working during the pandemic for more money.

And playing politics. If they are going to teach from home I think the tax paying home owners should get a refund on the school taxes. 

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These teachers better get their poop together as well as the rest of this country AND GO TO WIRK PPE IN HAND .COVIT Is not leaving THIS WORLD ANY TIME SOON

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The teachers not going back to work has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with furthering a Marxists agenda:

 

This is a list of demands being adopted not only by LA Teacher's Association, but Teacher's Unions and Associations all over the country:

 

LOS ANGELES (KUSI) – The SDUSD on Monday issued a joint statement with the Los Angeles Unified School District, which also announced it will start the school year with online-only courses. In the statement, the districts acknowledged that schools have successfully reopened in some parts of the world, but said the conditions are different locally.

 

Officials from the district say they don’t have the resources to safely reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic while critics cite the data that shows children have very low risk to the virus.

 

But in Los Angeles, the decision has to reopen schools has become political.

 

The Los Angeles Teacher’s Union is one of the largest in the state, and the “United Teachers Los Angeles” say public schools should not reopen unless their demands are met.

 

Their demands include implementing a moratorium on private schools, defunding the police, increasing taxes on the wealthy, implementing Medicare for all, and passing the HEROES Act, which allocated and additional $116 billion in federal education funding to the states.

 

The unions demands also took aim at charter schools.

 

The United Teachers Los Angeles union says these policies must be implemented on both the state and national level before reopening schools.

 

Opponents, mainly Republicans, believe these demands prove that San Diego Unified and Los Angeles Unified School District’s decision to conduct classes online is a political one, not driven by the data.

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12 mins ago, Steve in Mass said:

The teachers not going back to work has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with furthering a Marxists agenda:

 

This is a list of demands being adopted not only by LA Teacher's Association, but Teacher's Unions and Associations all over the country:

 

LOS ANGELES (KUSI) – The SDUSD on Monday issued a joint statement with the Los Angeles Unified School District, which also announced it will start the school year with online-only courses. In the statement, the districts acknowledged that schools have successfully reopened in some parts of the world, but said the conditions are different locally.

 

Officials from the district say they don’t have the resources to safely reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic while critics cite the data that shows children have very low risk to the virus.

 

But in Los Angeles, the decision has to reopen schools has become political.

 

The Los Angeles Teacher’s Union is one of the largest in the state, and the “United Teachers Los Angeles” say public schools should not reopen unless their demands are met.

 

Their demands include implementing a moratorium on private schools, defunding the police, increasing taxes on the wealthy, implementing Medicare for all, and passing the HEROES Act, which allocated and additional $116 billion in federal education funding to the states.

 

The unions demands also took aim at charter schools.

 

The United Teachers Los Angeles union says these policies must be implemented on both the state and national level before reopening schools.

 

Opponents, mainly Republicans, believe these demands prove that San Diego Unified and Los Angeles Unified School District’s decision to conduct classes online is a political one, not driven by the data.

 

 

Read this again:

Their demands include implementing a moratorium on private schools, defunding the police, increasing taxes on the wealthy, implementing Medicare for all, and passing the HEROES Act, which allocated and additional $116 billion in federal education funding to the states.

 

Read it again:

 

Their demands include implementing a moratorium on private schools, defunding the police, increasing taxes on the wealthy, implementing Medicare for all, and passing the HEROES Act, which allocated and additional $116 billion in federal education funding to the states.

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17 hours ago, flyangler said:

No. And the comparison to the ATC unions is not apt because back then there was a single employer of those folks, the federal government, which could fire them all with one pen stroke. 

 

There are thousands of school districts each with its own contract with teachers. Even though the teachers all belong to a national union, there is no single employer that could do what happened to the ATCs. 

A minor point but they do not all belong to a national union just as all cops don't belong to The Fraternal Order Of Police.

The National organizations don't negotiate contracts etc. They are public relations and in some cases lobbying entities. 

Marc

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In addition California's AB 5 makes it a CRIME to hire a tutor.

 

So those folks that are banding together in small groups and paying to have a free-lance (independent contractor) teacher instruct their kids in addition to home schooling in lieu of sending them to school are now greatly penalized thru taxation and fined. These people are made to be responsible for all the stuff an employer must pay for for a business employee such as FICA, unemployment tax, minimum wage laws, hiring race quotas, and a myriad of other things, and on top of that pay a fine for not doing so up front.

 

And the trend is spreading across the country.

 

 

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The schools are an abysmal failure, and the actions of the teacher’s union will only serve to lessen their relevance. It will lead to a movement to end the system that feeds them. Like all of the great socialist experiments from history, it is the actual attainment of the goal that ensures it’s demise. They are killing the very need for their existence. Once parents adapt and overcome, they will see no need to go back. Huge mistake, made out of a sense of superiority, gifted to them by a corrupted news media. Those jobs are as dead end as it gets at this point.

 

We will begin to see an increase in digital instruction. This does not have a requirement for large numbers of workers attending to the children. Kids are naturals at this style of instruction. They can pick up the latest cell phone and have a working relationship with it in a matter of hours. Why would they have problems with digital classrooms ?

 

I have wanted to see an end to the education system for decades. It is a dismal failure that produces a failed product. Recently a large group of students was tested for grade level reading skills. Out of something like 15,000, not a single student could manage a passing grade. No not even the geniuses that were surely in the mix. None of them. Well that is not the student’s fault.That is the system’s fault, and it is bad, and it is corrupt. osama got Common Core rammed through in exchange for a book deal for himself and his wife. That style of teaching received the complete confidence of the teacher’s union. They wanted it.

 

So I applaud the union as it flexes it’s political muscle, and hope it is quite successful in obtaining an end to public schools. No opportunities for the kids to learn, no problem, parents will find other means to get it done. Education should have never been more concerned about the teachers than the students, and this system is just that way. Everything proposed for the students must first  be filtered down through the needs of the teachers first.

 

Good virus. Kids get sick, get over it like the common cold, and suddenly there is an opportunity to learn to read at a level of competence for their age. A bright future, not a future of blight. Tell your local teacher’s union to buzz off.

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