cashews121 Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 Can someone give me a video for a simple spearing pattern,,basic materials ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookster Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 How about a Ray's Fly : baldwin and The Fisherman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbey Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 TimS taught me the virtues of his silicone spearing decades ago. Bob Popovic has a similar pattern in one of his books. I never leave home with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slip n slide Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 7 hours ago, snookster said: How about a Ray's Fly : looks nothing like a spearing,too wide,flies don't slim down in the water,they flare out Ftyer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookster Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, slip n slide said: looks nothing like a spearing,too wide,flies don't slim down in the water,they flare out Somebody better tell the thousands of anglers that have caught tens of thousands of bass feeding on spearing on Ray’s Flies that they are doing it wrong. Funny when I’m working a jig in the Canal, it looks thinner than it looked in my bag. Must be just me. Fergal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fisherman Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 I can't speak for the experience of others, but I have done very well with Ray's Fly, matched to the size of the bait, when silversides are present. :-) How I tie a Ray's Fly: sparse. Steve Culton theshadow and JohnP 2 "We fish for pleasure; I for Mine, you for yours."-- James Leisenring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slip n slide Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 57 mins ago, snookster said: Somebody better tell the thousands of anglers that have caught tens of thousands of bass feeding on spearing on Ray’s Flies that they are doing it wrong. Funny when I’m working a jig in the Canal, it looks thinner than it looked in my bag. Must be just me. when you pull it out of the water it slims down,which is pretty much never the way to look at a fly's true profile...Rays fly looks nothing like a spearing,bass are simply opportunists saltyh2ofly and RedGreen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookster Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 Ray explained to me many years ago how the color combination suggested a spearing. It gave him confidence fishing it, so I guess that means something. My experience is also that stripers are generally opportunistic feeders. Most flies and lures do not closely resemble any baitfish but can still be very effective. You have to catch the fisherman before catching the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 Rays fly doesn’t look like a spearing? Maybe if it’s tied like a broom. Sparsely tied and properly blended it’s pretty damn spot on. Ftyer and saltyh2ofly 2 ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oliver Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Got to agree with slip on this one. In reality at best a salt water fly represents something that is worth either eating or attacking or a fish is curious about it. Ok this of course is simply my opinion. I have seen thousands of spearings and Rays fly good as it is looks in fish catching terms is nothing like any bait fish. It looks to me like a man made fly. Same applies all fly patterns. Sorry to be a a Heretic but I never subscribed to the Halford school of exact replication of the natural fly. It is simply impossible. It was and is total BS. How can we match the hatch with an artificially tied fly exactly . We can’t. It is not flesh, it does not posses a fish smell. Worse it can smell of moth balls or other man made substances. But fish will when they decide eat or at least attack our offerings thankfully. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookster Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Maybe the key is not how closely the fly looks like a baitfish but how much it acts like a baitfish. saltyh2ofly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oliver Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Snookster Excellent comment. I honestly think that is huge. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffK Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Size and profile. Plus materials (natural) that move and breathe in current. saltyh2ofly and Mike Oliver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, snookster said: Maybe the key is not how closely the fly looks like a baitfish but how much it acts like a baitfish. Imagine looking up from below and seeing 1,000 spearing, then imagine seeing one that’s close but a little different. It doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb and look out of place tho. That’s potentially an easier target for a predator. The fly should act like the bait, look close to it but not an exact copy. That’s why it gets eaten. Edited August 14, 2020 by Drew C. Ftyer 1 ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashews121 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 I saw a guy do a spearing and the majority was covered with resin..that looked really good to me,,transparent ,,which Spearing kind are when you look at them ..right? Any thoughts on the resin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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