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How many of you maskers wear  neck gaiter for a mask?

 

Those that don't, do you yell and scream at the people wearing neck gaiters?

 

They are worse than wearing no masks at all, don't you know?

 

Should the governor of your state ban neck gaiters and fine people for wearing them?

 

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Wearing a neck gaiter may be worse than no mask at all, researchers find

"These neck gaiters are extremely common in a lot of places because they're very convenient to wear."

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Allyson Chiu,

The Washington Post

August 11, 2020 | 12:11 PM

As the number of novel coronavirus cases continues to rise nationwide, the recurring message from many public health experts and doctors has been simple: Wearing masks saves lives.

“We are not defenseless against covid-19,” Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in July. “Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus – particularly when used universally within a community setting.”

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But as face coverings have become increasingly commonplace in American life, so have questions about efficacy – and now a group of researchers from Duke University are aiming to provide some answers.

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In a recently published study, the researchers unveiled a simple method to evaluate the effectiveness of various types of masks, analyzing more than a dozen different facial coverings ranging from hospital-grade N95 respirators to bandanas. Of the 14 masks and other coverings tested, the study found that some easily accessible cotton cloth masks are about as effective as standard surgical masks, while popular alternatives such as neck gaiters made of thin, stretchy material may be worse than not wearing a mask at all.

“You can really see the mask is doing something,” said one of the study’s co-authors, Warren S. Warren, a professor of physics, chemistry, radiology and biomedical engineering at Duke. “There’s a lot of controversy and people say, ‘Well, masks don’t do anything.’ Well, the answer is some don’t, but most do.”

The search for a way to determine the effectiveness of different masks began with a request from a professor at Duke’s medical school who was working to provide at-risk and underserved populations in Durham, N.C., with the critical face coverings, according to a news release from the university. Faced with so many varieties of masks all claiming to have virus-blocking capabilities, the professor sought help – in the university’s physics department.

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Enter Martin Fischer, a chemist and physicist.

Using a simple contraption that harnesses the power of a laser, which can be easily purchased online for less than $200, and a cell phone camera, Fischer created a device that allowed his team to track individual particles released from a person’s mouth when they are speaking. The rest of the setup includes a box that can be made out of cardboard and a lens.

“It’s very straightforward, doesn’t take much resources,” Fischer said in a video produced by Duke. “Any research lab has these things lying around.”

Testing the face coverings was equally uncomplicated, according to the study published Friday in Science Advances, a peer-reviewed journal.

Speakers said the same phrase into the box without a mask and then repeated the process while wearing one. Each face covering was tested 10 times. Inside the device, the airborne particles passed through a sheet of light created by the laser hitting the lens and produced visible flashes that were recorded by the phone’s camera.

“Even very small particles can do this kind of (light) scattering,” Warren said. “We were able to use the scattering, and then tracking individual particles from frame to frame in the movie, to actually count the number of particles that got emitted.”

A fitted N95 mask, which is used most commonly by hospital workers, was the most effective, Warren said, noting that the mask allowed “no droplets at all” to come out. Meanwhile, a breathable neck gaiter, well-liked by runners for its lightweight fabric, ranked worse than the no-mask control group. The gaiter tested by the researchers was described in the study as a “neck fleece” made out of a polyester spandex material, Warren said.

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“These neck gaiters are extremely common in a lot of places because they’re very convenient to wear,” he said. “But the exact reason why they’re so convenient, which is that they don’t restrict air, is the reason why they’re not doing much of a job helping people.”

The high droplet count could be linked to the neck gaiter’s porous fabric breaking up bigger particles into many little ones that are more likely to hang around in the air longer, Fischer said in the video. This effect makes wearing them possibly “counterproductive,” he added.

“It’s not the case that any mask is better than nothing,” he said. “There are some masks that actually hurt rather than do good.”

Other types of face coverings that may fall into that category are bandanas and knitted masks, the study found. An N95 mask with an exhalation valve also failed to measure up.

“Those relief valves are fantastic if what you want to do is protect yourself from the outside world because air doesn’t come in through them,” Warren said. “If what you’re trying to do in this pandemic is protect the outside world from you, it completely defeats the purpose.”

Warren encouraged people to assess their face coverings with another basic test.

“If you can see through it when you put it up to a light and you can blow through it easily, it probably is not protecting anybody.”

Still, he stressed that people without access to medical-grade masks shouldn’t worry.

“We’re not as a society going to be having everybody wear disposable N95 face masks,” he said. “It’s not affordable, and it’s not reasonable.” The researchers specifically made note of the effectiveness of common cotton cloth masks, finding that several of the ones tested performed about as well as surgical masks, which come in second to the N95. Experts with the World Health Organization have recommended that fabric masks should ideally have three layers.

Although the study was “not a clinical trial” that involved testing “10,000 patients and seven different languages and all possible conditions,” Warren said its general conclusions still stand.

“We’re very careful not to over-claim here,” he said. “We are not going to try to say our evidence is that this is the thread count you should use on the sheet for the two-ply cotton mask that you’re making.

“But the broad take-home picture – that masks do work in cutting down transmission and that some masks that you can easily get are better than others – potentially has value in protecting everybody and getting us out of this awful situation,” he added.

Warren said he and his fellow researchers are now focused on producing a step-by-step instruction guide for creating the testing device. The team has already been approached by people from foreign countries who have expressed interest, he said.

“It is quite possible for people with a modest amount of scientific training to use this quite safely and quite effectively,” Warren said, noting that he does not recommend that the average person go out and try to construct the device themselves. “The idea is that you could have community centers, groups that are helping to test out different designs. Particularly as we’re trying to provide face masks to a large number of people who don’t have them, you want to be providing ones that work.”

 

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Those relief valve N95 masks are dangerous too. 
 

ive read that here and saw people argue they weren’t.

 

Ill trust the researchers at Duke

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I wear the neck gaiter thing at work as a face covering is required.  (for the time being)

 

People not wearing one, I could give a crap.   If I had my choice at work I wouldn't be wearing one at all.

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1 hour ago, jkrock said:

Those relief valve N95 masks are dangerous too. 
ive read that here and saw people argue they weren’t.

Ill trust the researchers at Duke

 

**** Duke.

 

I don't trust anything that any college kid has to say.

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Funny story.  My wife is walking down a path to the beach. Very quiet with not many people around.  She has her mask under her chin.  A woman wearing a mask coming from the opposite direction passes her and tells my wife to put on her mask.  My wife says, What did you say?  Woman: Put on your mask.  Wife: What?  Woman: Put on your MASK!  Wife: Please take your mask off I cannot understand what your saying.  
 

That shut her up. 

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I was told by President Fauchi to NOT wear a mask in March.  I am going by his advice.

 

I completely stopped last week, had enough.  I have not been denied entry into any business on the NH seacoast,  not a one.

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7 hours ago, jkrock said:

Those relief valve N95 masks are dangerous too. 
 

ive read that here and saw people argue they weren’t.

 

Ill trust the researchers at Duke

That's what I used to wear until about 2 months ago... When I thought to myself when I exhale its like breathing out a straw and projecting my contaminants to others... And when if the "check valve" flap is open for a bit on inhale it's not effective as a standard mask 

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