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Fluke rig breaking at knot

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I’m having an issue lately with rigs that I’ve pre-tied breaking off when i set the hook

i pre tie and store fluke hi-lo rigs and then use them when needed,

i think i May have tied them with two different mono Ande and trilene 

 

what happened is that fish bites, i set the hook aggressively and the line breaks right at the dropper loop knot

 

could pulling the knot too tight be the issue?

thanks

 

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How old is the mono? was it stored in heat or sunlight ? After tying attach the line to something solid and test it. 

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What pound test?  It will almost always break at the dropper loop first anyway as it’s an inherently weak knot but it shouldn’t be breaking by setting the hook. 

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1 hour ago, foxfai said:

I agree there might be issue with the line. Mono doesn't just break. 

 

How many lb of mono? 

It’s 20 pound mono, could be old but not more than 3-4 years and stored indoors in a box not in direct sunlight 

1 hour ago, bkupmstr said:

I’m having an issue lately with rigs that I’ve pre-tied breaking off when i set the hook

i pre tie and store fluke hi-lo rigs and then use them when needed,

i think i May have tied them with two different mono Ande and trilene 

 

what happened is that fish bites, i set the hook aggressively and the line breaks right at the dropper loop knot

 

could pulling the knot too tight be the issue?

thanks

 

 

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Not much knot strength with a dropper. I would use heavier line. If not enough wraps and not enough lube to slide you are probably under 40%. On my chicken rigs I use 80#  Berkley big game. Stiff and keeps line from wrapping on itself.

Never had a problem.

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I’ve been tying with 30 lb mono with 5 twists. Wet it good with saliva and cinch it slowly. 

1 hour ago, cartopper said:

How many wraps are you using on the dropper?

 

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1 hour ago, Bigfootgrey said:

I’ve been tying with 30 lb mono with 5 twists. Wet it good with saliva and cinch it slowly. 

 

5-6 on 30 good . . . I would go 8 wraps with 20 and make sure they are even on each side.  Sometimes when you're in a hurry and have, let's say, 6 turns on one side and 4 on the other the knot will most likely break.

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Stop tying dropper loops.  They are a guaranteed weak point ready to fail.  I started a thread a while back about what knot holds up best on a teaser rig.  From my own tests the conventional dropper loop always failed at less than half the line rated strength.  

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6 hours ago, Water Dog said:

Are you licking / lubricating the knot before you cinch it down?

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I am going with this.  

 

You dont need 40lb mono leader, and it will last more than a season if its not baking and stored in uv/sun.  I've been milking a spool of 17lb fluoro and one of 14lb mono for eons now.  

 

Lube the up good.  Saliva works fine.  Never pull them dry.  

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Never had a problem with thirty pound leader or stronger,I always discard the leader after an outing.The amount of weight your throwing will also play havoc with a leader..a different type of knot may help

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