autonomos Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 hours ago, A Roj said: I practice sustainability by abiding by the DEC regulations for fish size and possession limits, which is 28-35'' and no more than one in possession (which amounts to no more than a few since, as I mentioned, I just recently began spearfishing). Also, spearing for stripers isn't a daily thing for me. The principle error in your reckoning is that you let other people (government) define right and wrong for you. Just because the law says you can kill **** doesn’t mean you should. Maybe if people killed what they ate instead of what they’re “allowed” to we wouldn’t need such strict regulations on everything. Common sense just isn’t that common anymore. 55555s, thordic, aneary and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jim A. said: Stripers should be a sport fish. Simple. Want to eat fish. Go buy a pound a haddock. Haddock stocks are in much worse shape than bass stocks. "Depend not on fortune, but on conduct." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Roj Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 42 mins ago, Two Rock said: The first rule of fishing or hunting is don’t kill it unless your going to eat it, that is not moral high ground whatsoever... @Two Rock That is just flat out wrong. Some species (like red tailed deer on Long Island and upstate New York, feral hogs in Texas and Hawaii, Pythons in Florida, etc.) are either invasive and/or over populating, eating all the food and out-competing other native species, which can be DISASTROUS for the eco-system. This means that if we do not do anything, the natural stability of an area will collapse, and there will be nothing to hunt for, or worse, the food would be rendered non-edible due to disease, poor diet, etc. (just look at CWD in deer in the Minnesota region). Most states control their big game populations. The deer are so bad on Long Island that they really impacted the wild rabbit population, and deer season was open year round by the DEC. Wild rabbit is one of the sought after meals for red fox here, and if you are a Long Islander you would know that they almost disappeared, besides in some protected parks and in eastern LI. So, yeah, thats a moral thing many people are dealing with, because they believe it is a "waste." I understand fish and clam stocks are very vulnerable, but heck i see so many people catching tons of striped bass a year, why do i have to miss out on the fun? One thing I would mention though, is that striped bass play a big role in controlling the crab population (fiddlers, etc.) in the NE, which is VERY IMPORTANT to the health of our spartina salt marshes. The salt marshes is literally what produces the abundance of sea life and biodiversity from the LI sound up to New Brunswick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdrzog Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, A Roj said: @Mike Thats an interesting study from the 90's. I would of thought he PCB's would be much higher than today, since they were only banned in 1979. It might just be that with time, the PCB's were distributed through the fish population (just my guess), since the research paper i posted earlier says the contaminants were highest in the hudson area. Regardless, I am going to keep the next catch i get. I have seen some pretty good recipes on youtube for preparing stripers (one is literally slobbing the whole fillet with mayo and honey, then wrapping it in tin foil and putting it in the oven). I heard the taste is very fishy, so seasoning it as much as possible may be a good idea. By the way, its not that hard to figure out how to use the @ symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishhappy Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 min ago, A Roj said: @Two Rock That is just flat out wrong. Some species (like red tailed deer on Long Island and upstate New York, feral hogs in Texas and Hawaii, Pythons in Florida, etc.) are either invasive and/or over populating, eating all the food and out-competing other native species, which can be DISASTROUS for the eco-system. This means that if we do not do anything, the natural stability of an area will collapse, and there will be nothing to hunt for, or worse, the food would be rendered non-edible due to disease, poor diet, etc. (just look at CWD in deer in the Minnesota region). Most states control their big game populations. The deer are so bad on Long Island that they really impacted the wild rabbit population, and deer season was open year round by the DEC. Wild rabbit is one of the sought after meals for red fox here, and if you are a Long Islander you would know that they almost disappeared, besides in some protected parks and in eastern LI. So, yeah, thats a moral thing many people are dealing with, because they believe it is a "waste." I understand fish and clam stocks are very vulnerable, but heck i see so many people catching tons of striped bass a year, why do i have to miss out on the fun? One thing I would mention though, is that striped bass play a big role in controlling the crab population (fiddlers, etc.) in the NE, which is VERY IMPORTANT to the health of our spartina salt marshes. The salt marshes is literally what produces the abundance of sea life and biodiversity from the LI sound up to New Brunswick. Sandbar1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Rock Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Red tailed deer on Long Island lol, I’m obviously talking about being a sportsman not hunting or fishing for invasive/overabundant species control can you not see the difference ? You are not attempting to control and over abundant or harmful species by spearing a striper and not eating it, you are being a wasteful person and not a sportsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Roj Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 43 mins ago, autonomos said: The principle error in your reckoning is that you let other people (government) define right and wrong for you. Just because the law says you can kill **** doesn’t mean you should. Maybe if people killed what they ate instead of what they’re “allowed” to we wouldn’t need such strict regulations on everything. Common sense just isn’t that common anymore. @autonomos I really don't even know where to begin here... No dude, I just buy into the community consensus on how much fish (or game) there is, and what we can do to protect it so we can keep getting it. Obviously, I do not just believe what people tell me, i do my research and use DATA, along with human compassion, to guide my decision making process... Are you really trying to politicize this hahahhaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Roj Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 12 mins ago, Two Rock said: Red tailed deer on Long Island lol, I’m obviously talking about being a sportsman not hunting or fishing for invasive/overabundant species control can you not see the difference ? You are not attempting to control and over abundant or harmful species by spearing a striper and not eating it, you are being a wasteful person and not a sportsman *White tailed deer I merely just responded to your claim that "The first rule of fishing or hunting is don’t kill it unless your going to eat it, that is not moral high ground whatsoever..." Make the distinction then instead of a broad claim that is false. Also, it is only your opinion that I am being a wasteful person. Honestly, i wasn't even trying to defend what i was doing, but many people came at me so hard lol. Edited July 10, 2020 by A Roj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbar1 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 mins ago, A Roj said: @autonomos I really don't even know where to begin here... No dude, I just buy into the community consensus on how much fish (or game) there is, and what we can do to protect it so we can keep getting it. Obviously, I do not just believe what people tell me, i do my research and use DATA, along with human compassion, to guide my decision making process... Are you really trying to politicize this hahahhaha. What's so compassionate about shooting a dink for no reason? Chasing false echoes Send lawyers, guns, and money - Zevon When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro - Thompson DITCH TROLL 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-man Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Fishy4335 said: As long as the fish is caught within slot then why does anybody care what the OP does with it! He can do whatever he wants with it! Its nobodys business but his! Except for the fact that it’s illegal in hunting and fishing to waste a resource. That’s what wanton waste regulations are for. MikeMc and 55555s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Rock Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 10 mins ago, A Roj said: *White tailed deer I merely just responded to your claim that "The first rule of fishing or hunting is don’t kill it unless your going to eat it, that is not moral high ground whatsoever..." Make the distinction then instead of a broad claim that is false. I just did, so respond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy4335 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 mins ago, z-man said: Except for the fact that it’s illegal in hunting and fishing to waste a resource. That’s what wanton waste regulations are for. What is considered "wasting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-man Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 mins ago, Fishy4335 said: What is considered "wasting? Killing and not eating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafolo Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 A Roj. Why don’t you spear hunt squirrels and ill buy you a bag of bird seed to feed the gulls. Killing a striper when the stocks are dangerously low to feed a seagull? That’s just wrong in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudsy Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Fishy4335 said: Tell that to the families who lost significant others to ingesting disinfectant!! LOL Darwinism at its finest Water Dog and Sandbar1 2 I just wanta play everyday despite small nagging injuries -- and go home to a woman who appreciates how full of crap I truly am. ~ Crash Davis Social Distancing since 1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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