Steve in Mass

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On slavery:

 

he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

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1 min ago, KnewBee said:

Give credit to Jefferson, oh, and try to use appropriate punctuation.  

Are you REALLY that stupid? 

 

Try telling Mr. Jefferson what I bolded in your quote.

 

:squid:

 

As for your other comment, go eff yourself. Am pretty sure just the passage begs for discussion all on its own.

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"...he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another..."     Thomas Jefferson, draft of the Declaration of Independence, written 1776 and important for the fact that it was NOT used in the final draft for obvious reasons.   

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1 min ago, KnewBee said:

written 1776 and important for the fact that it was NOT used in the final draft for obvious reasons.   

Um, they were not so obvious. What do YOU think the "obvious reasons" were?

 

And how is what you quoted any different than what I did? :squid:

 

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32 mins ago, Steve in Mass said:

On slavery:

 

he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

Why is it interesting?

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34 mins ago, Steve in Mass said:

On slavery:

 

he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

Sounds familiar, interesting indeed. Just shows how little man really grows over time as these cycles repeat themselves over and over, almost as if we dont have recorded history to reflect upon and learn from. 

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6 mins ago, Steve in Mass said:

Um, they were not so obvious. What do YOU think the "obvious reasons" were?

 

And how is what you quoted any different than what I did? :squid:

 

"...each of a set of punctuation marks, single (‘ ’) or double (“ ”), used either to mark the beginning and end of a title or quoted passage, or to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence."

 

These things "   " are called quotation marks AND citing the source, ya know, giving credit where credit is due.

 

There are well written papers about the debate over slavery during the drafting.  North/South issues, economics, religion, etc...   These debates have raged since 1776 and they are just about "obvious" to anyone who has an interest or is minimally educated on the founding and drafting of the declaration as well as Jefferson's positions on slavery. 

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21 mins ago, fishinambition said:

Sounds familiar, interesting indeed. Just shows how little man really grows over time as these cycles repeat themselves over and over, almost as if we dont have recorded history to reflect upon and learn from. 

It also shows one sidedness where the issue is important for current discussion. 

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21 hours ago, KnewBee said:

"...each of a set of punctuation marks, single (‘ ’) or double (“ ”), used either to mark the beginning and end of a title or quoted passage, or to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence."

Oh get over it you tool. ANYONE knows I did not write that and it was a quote, and I also italicized it. If tyyou have nothing constructive to add, sit down and shut the **** up

 

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21 hours ago, Gotcow? said:

Why is it interesting?

 

21 hours ago, fishinambition said:

Sounds familiar, interesting indeed. Just shows how little man really grows over time as these cycles repeat themselves over and over, almost as if we dont have recorded history to reflect upon and learn from. 

It is a paragraph that was included in the first draft of the Declaration of Independence, and well states Jefferson's  and many of the other Founding Father's true feelings on slavery.

 

However, it was not included in the signed draft. You will notice that the very first words of the Declaration are:

 

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, 

 

It was of utmost importance to the Founding Fathers that  the Declaration be UNANIMOUS because if there was one state that did not agree, that state could become a "weasel" to the King and cause the entire campaign to fail. It would leave that one little crack for England to dive a wedge into and break the entire thing open.

 

Of the thirteen colonies, only two, South Carolina and Georgia, objected to the language of that paragraph and the results it would enact. So as not to lose the entire thing the other 11 colonies after much debate, agreed to drop that paragraph for the final draft.

 

But it is important because it demonstrates that unlike today's narrative of this country being founded on slavery and oppression, it was the desire of the vast majority of the time to abolish slavery.

 

So once again the Left is furthering a narrative based upon a lie, and way too many people buy into it because of their ignorance.

 

 

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4 mins ago, Steve in Mass said:

 

It is a paragraph that was included in the first draft of the Declaration of Independence, and well states Jefferson's  and many of the other Founding Father's true feelings on slavery.

 

However, it was not included in the signed draft. You will notice that the very first words of the Declaration are:

 

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, 

 

It was of utmost importance to the Founding Fathers that  the Declaration be UNANIMOUS because if there was one state that did not agree, that state could become a "weasel" to the King and cause the entire campaign to fail. It would leave that one little crack for England to dive a wedge into and break the entire thing open.

 

Of the thirteen colonies, only two, South Carolina and Georgia, objected to the language of that paragraph and the results it would enact. So as not to lose the entire thing the other 11 colonies after much debate, agreed to drop that paragraph for the final draft.

 

But it is important because it demonstrates that unlike today's narrative of this country being founded on slavery and oppression, it was the desire of the vast majority of the time to abolish slavery.

 

So once again the Left is furthering a narrative based upon a lie, and way too many people buy into it because of their ignorance.

 

 

 

 

Funny how that happens so often, and only one way. 

You could almost think it was on purpose. 

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