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If colleges are going to be online, why do we need foreign students in the US on VISAs?

 

ICE says we don’t . I hope they throw them all out


If online classes are just as good as in person, as colleges like Harvard claim( and demonstrate by refusing to reduce tuition for online classes), why do we need to issue student VISAs at all?

 

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Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced Monday that international students in the U.S. whose schools switch to online classes for the fall semester will have to leave the country or risk violating their visa status.

Under the new rule, foreign nationals enrolled in U.S. educational institutions will have to leave the country unless part of their course load this fall is taken in-person. 

The Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) had allowed for foreign students to take their spring and summer 2020 courses online while remaining in the United States, in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

SEVP, the institution that sets the rules for student visas, is run by ICE, which is generally dedicated to immigration enforcement. 


In its announcement, SEVP said foreign students who do not transfer to in-person programs and remain in the United States while enrolled in online courses could face "immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings."

Students taking in-person programs will be allowed to remain in the country, while schools with hybrid online/in-person courses will be required to certify their programs are not entirely online. 

Students in English language courses and certain students pursuing vocational degrees will not be allowed to take online courses.

The move comes as international student enrollment has steadily decreased from its high point in the 2015-2016 school year, according to the Institute of International Education.

 

International enrollment is down in every category - undergraduate, graduate and non-degree - with 269,383 enrolled in the 2018-2019 school year, compared with a high of 300,743 new students in 2015-2016.

According to the Commerce Department, international students contributed $45 billion to the U.S. economy in 2018. 

 

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24 mins ago, jkrock said:

If colleges are going to be online, why do we need foreign students in the US on VISAs?

 

ICE says we don’t . I hope they throw them all out


If online classes are just as good as in person, as colleges like Harvard claim( and demonstrate by refusing to reduce tuition for online classes), why do we need to issue student VISAs at all?

 

 

Do they claim that?

 

They are wrong.

 

If they do claim that.*

 

*Keeping the cost of tuition the same does not mean they claim that.

 

 

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I smell Trump. Story says it is a new rule.

 

How clever. Force the commies running these fine institutions to choose to protect everyone from the great Wuhan Flu, or coddle their foreigners. The genius of it is that they will decide for themselves what they wish to do. Little Susie Citizen may need to be sacrificed in an effort to promote other nations over America.

 

I predict they will try to do both. On line for Americans, and special units set up for the foreigners. No way they give that up. So campus will be the exclusive domain of people who are not in any way Americans. Nice look. 
 

This is government action at it’s very best. 

 

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Get rid of them when they bring their family's here to visit all of a sudden they need cataract surgery,a hip ,a knee AND NO BENEFITS ,INEVITABLY IT FALLS ON THE TAXPAYERS AND COMES OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY.Will save  millions don't have to be politically correct to some other pablum puking maggot.

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1 hour ago, jkrock said:

If colleges are going to be online, why do we need foreign students in the US on VISAs?

 

ICE says we don’t . I hope they throw them all out


If online classes are just as good as in person, as colleges like Harvard claim( and demonstrate by refusing to reduce tuition for online classes), why do we need to issue student VISAs at all?

 

 

As always there is a fly in the ointment.

 

It is an open discussion as to whether we need to educate all the Chinese students that we do... however it is not so easy for Chinese students to do "online" college in the US.  Main reason is China does not allow easy and widespread internet use internationally.  Many common programs and technical methods are restricted.  This makes it very difficult for US profs to find ways that all students can access the class materials and discussions without having to do double work... work for US and work for China.

 

China is also 12 hrs different in time zones.  This means trouble trying to have synchronous activities... chinese students was everything recorded so they dont have to be us midnight to 8 am for college.

 

Nothing is simple.

 

Why do US colleges care?  Money.  Chinese students (undergrad) pay.

 

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On one hand I can agree wholeheartedly with banning foreign students especially those from certain nations , on the other hand ,I’d hate to see gifted , hungry American student loose opportunities to study abroad. More extensive vetting of foreign students? More or better oversight of those students who are allowed to study here? Tough call, in the end I’d lean towards restrictions designed to strengthen our Nat. Security . 

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1 hour ago, moonbat said:

Do they claim that?

 

They are wrong.

 

If they do claim that.*

 

*Keeping the cost of tuition the same does not mean they claim that.

 

 

Yes.  Harvard specifically said it.  I believe UMASS Amherst as well

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21 mins ago, hamlet said:

however it is not so easy for Chinese students to do "online" college in the US.  Main reason is China does not allow easy and widespread internet use internationally.

Sucks for them, but who gives a ****? Maybe they should complain to their own damned gubbemint instead of ours. 

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14 mins ago, Fishy Fisher said:

Sucks for them, but who gives a ****? Maybe they should complain to their own damned gubbemint instead of ours. 

as I noted... there is a debatable question as to if we should educate china.

 

However... my post included who gives a ****.  US colleges do.  Chinese students pay full ride.

And out of state tuition.

 

Undergrad students pay.

Grad students are a different kettle of fish.

We end up paying for many of them, as they get grant funds to cover tuition costs.  So their tuition and pay comes from (lets say) NSF funds, which come from our pockets

(or are borrowed from China... bonds... the world is complicated).

 

 

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Of universities that have released plans for the upcoming academic year, 60% are still planning to welcome students in-person, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education. 

  • What that'll look like: Regular COVID-19 testing, smaller classes, extra cleaning, emptier dorms, students clearing out before Thanksgiving, and an opportunity to slap logos and mascots on protective gear. Well, maybe not UC Santa Cruz.

As for the others, 23% are opting for a hybrid model, 8% of schools are going fully online, and the rest are still figuring it out.

The Ivies weigh in

Yesterday, Princeton and the Harvard of eastern MA finally released their plans. Princeton will welcome back roughly half of undergrads each semester, hold most classes online, and reduce tuition 10%. Because that’s not exclusive enough, Harvard's bringing back up to 40% of undergrads this fall. All courses are remote...but tuition’s not changing.

Cornell is moving ahead with a fully in-person semester after university researchers found that an online semester would result in more COVID-19 cases. Their reasoning: If classes go remote, ~9,000 students will still return to Ithaca, but the school won't be able to enforce testing and social distancing.

Plans can change. After greenlighting in-person classes, USC reversed course last week as California grapples with rising COVID-19 cases. 

If you think students are grumpy...

Professors and instructors are pushing back on plans for in-person classes. Many fear that bringing students back too quickly puts them and their families at risk. 

More than 800 Georgia Tech faculty members criticized the state university system for a reopening plan that makes mask-wearing optional (a policy at odds with most top public universities). Last month, 1,100 Penn State faculty members petitioned for the right to bar students from classrooms if they don't wear masks. 

Bottom line: A few weeks ago, colleges might have felt more optimistic about fall reopenings. But after watching COVID-19 cases rise the last few weeks, the fall semester—and the fate of fragile college town economies—is looking more uncertain. 

From Morning Brew

 

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2 hours ago, jkrock said:

If colleges are going to be online, why do we need foreign students in the US on VISAs?

 

ICE says we don’t . I hope they throw them all out


If online classes are just as good as in person, as colleges like Harvard claim( and demonstrate by refusing to reduce tuition for online classes), why do we need to issue student VISAs at all?

 

 

because America is made stronger by allowing communist spies to pilfer science and military secrets.

In the future face masks can be used as knee pads.

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