sytheteacher Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 About thirty years ago I had to make a decision and it was to purchase three Penns or one Van Staal and I had four children in my household that went fishing with me..I still process the three Penns That operates well. rbart, Otony and Turkeybacn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk20a3 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 I was nearshore in some decent chop last week, rod and reel was in the side gunnel holder wasn’t going for anything crazy just the usual NE summer fluke, seabass, checking the bunker pods etc. Brought my bailed VSX150...watching it get sprayed like a firehose and not having to worry about it is just a nice luxury for me imo. Sure I could’ve moved it up to the rocket launchers or console rack but they were full with a buddies gear and my Seigler was taking up a spot already. The next day I was wading a back bay with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACFishing Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 hours ago, levari said: The 10% of the time justify the use of VS. Stella or Saltiga will not survive swimming 10% of your time. The Japanese reels are smoothers however The design of VS and ZB is simple with much less parts than the Japanese reels and therefore they last longer with less failures. Just like the Uzi ...few moving parts.. I was implying that the pier guys are better off using something like a stella or a penn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, ACFishing said: I was implying that the pier guys are better off using something like a stella or a penn Not really...... No bail is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAGA Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, ACFishing said: I was implying that the pier guys are better off using something like a stella or a penn Yes, not everyone who has a VS actually needs the waterproofing most could probably get by with a Penn. At the canal you will actually see many anglers using the Stella, Slammer, & Saltiga - they prioritize different qualities in a spinning reel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.R. Bridge Fisher Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 What if someone has the cash and just doesn't care or think twice about it. troll #122 <*)))< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailslap Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 If you are dunking your reel VS or Z is the way to go. If not the Stella/Saltiga beats the VS hands down in every single category. The performance is not even close. R.R. Bridge Fisher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ged Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 10 mins ago, Tailslap said: If you are dunking your reel VS or Z is the way to go. If not the Stella/Saltiga beats the VS hands down in every single category. The performance is not even close. One issue is long term ownership. Japanese reels stop supporting their discontinued products. VS/ZB should always have parts. For service on current models, nothing beats Shimano with their Stella. Edited July 8, 2020 by ged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkus Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 I remember Flip pallet using one on his flats skiff I’ve never owned one never will my Shimano stradics last and last I just upgraded two that were over 10 years old. But I don’t dunk my reels I’m a boat shore guy. rbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Ba Buoy Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 hours ago, ged said: One issue is long term ownership. Japanese reels stop supporting their discontinued products. VS/ZB should always have parts. For service on current models, nothing beats Shimano with their Stella. That's true to some degree. Having said that, early Van Staals no longer have some parts available, and the original 2008 Stella SW is still being serviced. No guarantees on long term either way really. VS and ZB have changed hands multiple times as well as shifted manufacturing. I'd like to think the next owner or plant will carry on with the status quo but it certainly isn't a lock. "Should always have parts," is kinda wishful thinking. "Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after." ~Henry David Thoreau (member formerly known as MV Bluefish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shu Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 5 hours ago, ged said: One issue is long term ownership. Japanese reels stop supporting their discontinued products. VS/ZB should always have parts. For service on current models, nothing beats Shimano with their Stella. I don't buy Saltiga anymore for that reason since its much harder to service and parts are hard to come by. Shimano however is pretty much guarantee for 10 year of service. After 10 the part might not become available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatWing Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, shu said: I don't buy Saltiga anymore for that reason since its much harder to service and parts are hard to come by. Shimano however is pretty much guarantee for 10 year of service. After 10 the part might not become available. I wonder how true the 10 year deal is - I have 2 Aero-Technium 10000 XSC that I bought from local B&T's _ shimano dropped them after 1 or 2 years, and immediately deleted the Illustrated Parts Breakdown (Schematic) from their site. They never get close to the water - I have a step-in sand spike that travels with me when I plug, and use a 60lb Hollow-Ace Braid Shock Leader, spliced to the 30lb PP main line, as well as a 4.5 ft 50lb terminal leader - after I land the fish, the rod goes in the spike and I use the shock/terminal leader to control the fish as I walk down to the water for de-hooking. if plugging involves being in/near the water, or I am plugging at night, I am using either a VS150, VR175, VR200 or Daiwa Mag-Sealed Emblem Surf LC 35QD SCW reel. Edited July 9, 2020 by FlatWing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Ahab Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 No use for a VS. Thats why inhave a Penn Torque I fish fine look stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 I have a first generation Stella 4000, The anti reverse went bad and no parts,but I am fortunate to have a repair shop in FL that had old stella's that they used for parts and fortunately It was saved from the garbage heap. It's a problem for old Shimanos My stella didn't get that much use and still had a problem. Back in the day it was close to 500 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VitaminDee Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 If I have to get into the water I go with my VS150 and if im fishing from shore high and dry I reach for my Shimano albrid power aero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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