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Gov. Phil Murphy is cutting about $335 million in proposed aid to New Jersey school districts as the state grapples with the financial fallout of the coronavirus pandemic.

Even with the reduction, about a 3.7% decrease from what Murphy proposed in February, the state would still spend as much on K-12 schools as it did in the 2019-20 school year. But that may be little solace for districts now forced to cut costs because they already built 2020-21 budgets based on the governor’s proposed funding increase.

 

how many older teachers will claim illness or other because they are afraid they will lose there job to younger inexpensive teachers ?

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32 mins ago, HopHead said:

Curious what percentage of NJ state pensions are funded purely by NJ taxes.

In NY, 'I believe' the teachers salaries are paid by the high school taxes we pay once a year to our respective counties for our district.

Not sure about pensions.....they might have stopped doing pensions for new teachers a while ago like most of the public businesses...ie. Orange & Rockland[Con Ed]

I'm only guessing' here.....anyone?

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1 hour ago, coolhandfluke said:

Gov. Phil Murphy is cutting about $335 million in proposed aid to New Jersey school districts as the state grapples with the financial fallout of the coronavirus pandemic.

Even with the reduction, about a 3.7% decrease from what Murphy proposed in February, the state would still spend as much on K-12 schools as it did in the 2019-20 school year. But that may be little solace for districts now forced to cut costs because they already built 2020-21 budgets based on the governor’s proposed funding increase.

 

how many older teachers will claim illness or other because they are afraid they will lose there job to younger inexpensive teachers ?

Doesn't work that way . . . a district, specifically the BOE, cannot target older teaches and rehire younger to replace.  Union will never allow it . . . you have to move a mountain to terminate a tenured teacher.  Extracurricular activities will be cut first, then they will identify upcoming retirements and not replace those teachers or admin.  In addition, if needed, they can float a referendum to increase taxes to cover shortfall.

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38 mins ago, cartopper said:

Doesn't work that way . . . a district, specifically the BOE, cannot target older teaches and rehire younger to replace.  Union will never allow it . . . you have to move a mountain to terminate a tenured teacher.  Extracurricular activities will be cut first, then they will identify upcoming retirements and not replace those teachers or admin.  In addition, if needed, they can float a referendum to increase taxes to cover shortfall.

True.  
 

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2 hours ago, MarkG said:

In NY, 'I believe' the teachers salaries are paid by the high school taxes we pay once a year to our respective counties for our district.

Not sure about pensions.....they might have stopped doing pensions for new teachers a while ago like most of the public businesses...ie. Orange & Rockland[Con Ed]

I'm only guessing' here.....anyone?

in NYS at least Long Island the high school taxes we pay are for retired teachers, and Superintendents that have 300+K pensions

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It's transit systems that will be problem. If cleaner guy on NY commuter rail was working 24 hours day prior to pandemic and trains were not clean then, imagine how many overtime hours will be required now.

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2 hours ago, cartopper said:

Doesn't work that way . . . a district, specifically the BOE, cannot target older teaches and rehire younger to replace.  Union will never allow it . . . you have to move a mountain to terminate a tenured teacher.  Extracurricular activities will be cut first, then they will identify upcoming retirements and not replace those teachers or admin.  In addition, if needed, they can float a referendum to increase taxes to cover shortfall.

Forget the union, thats a massive discrimination exposure.

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3 hours ago, coolhandfluke said:

many older teachers will claim illness or other because they are afraid they will lose there job to younger inexpensive teachers ?

If it happens, and there are always some who look to game the system, it won't be out of fear, but rather convenience.

 

Much better to stay home on 67% salary (tax free) than to work at 100% taxable, especially if it becomes harder to do the work because of lower level cutbacks.  

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1 hour ago, Kings over Queens said:

Forget the union, thats a massive discrimination exposure.

don't disagree . . . but my point is it would never get that far.  The BOE already knows it's a non-starter.  

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It's extremely difficult and expensive to remove tenured teachers in NJ.   The school would have to go to court to justify removal - and normally only if the teacher did something criminal like having sex with or physically assaulting a student.

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From my understanding Pension,  retirement & healthcare are paid thru taxes collected.  It's a huge issue for some states.

 

So much so it's a very tough argument to the "teachers ain't paid enough" crowd

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