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Native Tribes fishermen are being Harrased

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3 mins ago, capequahog said:

If they’re in a run they’re probably Womps, end of story

Not quite; Or they will say they are womps if asked and really are not. You don’t really believe people are that honest do you? 

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35 mins ago, CcCstriper89 said:


As it stands; anybody can take herring and if asked say “I’m a native”. If questioned any further your going to be “harassing” them and if called; EPO will probably not show up when told they might or might not be natives. Essentially herring are free for the taking unless an EPO happens to be the one there asking if your native. I don’t see them changing any rules but wearing some sort of proof would be a simple solution. Don’t have a card on your hat; prepare to be asked and don’t complain if people don’t believe you.

I think  the mere act of speaking to someone, or asking a question, constitutes the new definition of harassment.

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13 hours ago, Good2Go said:

Maybe they should wear a feather and a breechcloth.. 

 

Seriously, it seems simple to have a red ID tag (sorry, could be purple, blue, green, whatever) issued to those who have proof of their heritage that they could wear to identify themselves. And then Elizabeth Warren could catch her own herrings. 

Maybe since Donald Trump knows so much about everything he could show her how it's done. 

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2 hours ago, bob_G said:

I called the MEP to get a ruling on this. Firstly, they were clearly uncomfortable speaking publically about it.  

The wishy washy reply went like this, "yea, we know. They're covered under their own special tribal laws. Just leave them alone".

thank you Bob ... not "cool beans" .. in fact, you're right.  No beans at all. 

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3 hours ago, Joe G said:

 

Gee, I really hope we can work around that and come to better solution.

 

Being asked to wear something that identifies ones ethnicity smacks eerily familiar of another point in time.  No good came of that.  There's got to be a better way. 

Not exactly, they're not being forced to wear this to separate themselves in general society. It's a way of showing in a specific circumstance that they are allowed to take a resource that others are not. Seems pretty reasonable to me, if you want to be different and harvest fish that others can not then prove that you are in fact different. Otherwise abide by the laws we all follow.

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It can be hard to identify a Native American that is 99% African American with 1% native blood. Just saying. They should wear an ID when doing something everyone else can’t do. You used to have to wear your regular fishing license in plain view. So....

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1 hour ago, Sandbar1 said:

Not exactly, they're not being forced to wear this to separate themselves in general society. It's a way of showing in a specific circumstance that they are allowed to take a resource that others are not. Seems pretty reasonable to me, if you want to be different and harvest fish that others can not then prove that you are in fact different. Otherwise abide by the laws we all follow.

 

Each to their own.  

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5 hours ago, FizzyFish said:

Maybe since Donald Trump knows so much about everything he could show her how it's done. 

I’d love to see the 2 of them waist deep in a flowing river going at it! Maybe we could get a twofer! Off topic, sorry, cudna resist! 

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6 hours ago, Joe G said:

 

Gee, I really hope we can work around that and come to better solution.

 

Being asked to wear something that identifies ones ethnicity smacks eerily familiar of another point in time.  No good came of that.  There's got to be a better way. 

Don’t see it that way if they’re asking for special privileges, that granted they may deserve (like the Mohegans and Pattagansetts deserved to build casinos, right? That was certainly in their culture!) but the history although sad and unfortunate was like 400 years ago? At some point we need to get beyond our family’s history and stand on our own 2 f’n feet. But out of respect for their culture I say sure. A small way to right a past wrong. But you need to wear some sorta ID or you’re in violation and can be cited. And that would also screw the asshats that violate the law and say they’re Indian, when they’re not. 

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1 hour ago, Good2Go said:

…. But you need to wear some sorta ID or you’re in violation and can be cited. And that would also screw the asshats that violate the law and say they’re Indian, when they’re not. 

 

Now that's an interesting twist...…...if as you say....., "they're asking for special privileges….they need to  wear an ID or risk being cited".

 

I think the word "or" and its implication may be a move in the right direction.

 

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9 mins ago, Joe G said:

 

Now that's an interesting twist...…...if as you say....., "they're asking for special privileges….they need to  wear an ID or risk being cited".

 

I think the word "or" and its implication may be a move in the right direction.

 

I don't see it as any different than a regular fishing licences. It designates me as a law abiding angler. Either I fish with a license OR I risk the consequences.

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13 hours ago, Sandbar1 said:

I don't see it as any different than a regular fishing licences. It designates me as a law abiding angler. Either I fish with a license OR I risk the consequences.

 

Yep, your right....no difference from a regular fishing license.

 

However,  I was looking at it from what was previously suggested in this thread......and that was.....tribal members should carry/wear some sort of ID that would indicate their special privileges. 

 

There was no mention in these previous suggestions that the member would risk being cited if he was exercising his privileges without an ID.

 

Good2Go's post says ..the tribal member must wear the ID, or else.  The prior posts made no mention of  an "or else".  That was my point.  Big difference IMO.

  

 

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Understood, though I thought the or else was implied in the first post. Fish with a license or else..... drive with a license or else.......:howdy:

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I'm not sure the Tribal authority to take herring is considered a privaledge, sounds more like a right...

a Tribal license worn in plain view certainly solves the confusion about taking herring during the ongoing moratorium...just need to convince the Wamps it's a good idea...

 

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3 mins ago, jettyjockey18 said:

I'm not sure the Tribal authority to take herring is considered a privaledge, sounds more like a right...

a Tribal license worn in plain view certainly solves the confusion about taking herring during the ongoing moratorium...just need to convince the Wamps it's a good idea...

 

I mean I'm also ok with them not wearing any ID too, it's just if I or someone else sees them taking herring it'll most likely just look like poaching and I'll be calling the EPOs. It's hard to not sound hypocritical when you complain about harassment but you do nothing to designate your right. To most you just look like a poacher.

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