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Native Tribes fishermen are being Harrased

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according to this morning Cape Cod Times at most of the local herring runs . It should be noted that as long as they carry a valid identification cards they have exclusive rights to hunt and fish along with forage. They do not need any other identification from a town or state. A 1905 federal case , found that the tribe members have access to take fish even even if they are on Private owned land . Apparently some tribal members along with there families are being threatened by those who do not know what the law allows them to do. At one time the tribes members would take all of the herring , including the females laden with row. An attempt has been made by the tribal leaders to have only the males removed and to replace the females back into there journey. This was done as a peace offering to the long term survival of the herring them selves. They can also use these herring to catch striped bass right where they are netting them of they are so inclined to do . It has been claimed by some that they do not look like Indians , thus an even more repercussions to our Native American Tribal members . I would offer a suggestion to my fellow brothers that fish for sustenance that you place your tribal identification card in a holder which is attached to the out side of your clothes like is done to show that those who shell fish are following the laws. It may reduce the harassment and provide a safer path to follow especially with the family members wifes and children helping you in keeping the traditions of your culture alive and well into the future. Peace and Prayers  

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Harassed? 

 

That has to be one of the most silliest accusations that I've heard in a long time..  

 

 

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17 mins ago, Joe G said:

Harassed? 

 

That has to be one of the most silliest accusations that I've heard in a long time..  

 

 

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Why is it silly when they are being accused of poaching?  They have every right to fish as the law allows.  

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i'd wager 95% of local fisherman don't know that the Wamps are allowed to take herring...

and given the history of the natives in the US, this is really just a small FU to us palefaces...:read:

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I gotta say I'm a little disappointed in people on this forum having an issue with actual native Americans being allowed to have this one tiny historic (as in pertaining to their history) allowance.

 

For all the virtue signalling about "I'm 100% catch and release" and whatnot because of ones supposed care for a species of fish I hear around here, you would think that we would care about how we treated an entire culture of actual people.

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3 mins ago, jettyjockey18 said:

i'd wager 95% of local fisherman don't know that the Wamps are allowed to take herring...

and given the history of the natives in the US, this is really just a small FU to us palefaces...:read:

I don't fish there much, but when I do, almost like clockwork I hear plenty of grumbling and "that's illegal!"

 

As for the history? Geez. Not quite sure tossing a herring cookie makes us "Even Steven"

 

Here in Massachusetts the colonists shared a lovely gift: smallpox.

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That outbreak was probably unintentional. But other epidemics? Intentionally set.

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Terrifying disease. Can you believe they get to net herring? Outrageous.

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11 mins ago, rst3 said:

I don't fish there much, but when I do, almost like clockwork I hear plenty of grumbling and "that's illegal!"

 

As for the history? Geez. Not quite sure tossing a herring cookie makes us "Even Steven"

 

Here in Massachusetts the colonists shared a lovely gift: smallpox.

Screenshot_20200514-043245_Chrome.jpg.adf876926c0d06b68843303c448069d6.jpg

 

That outbreak was probably unintentional. But other epidemics? Intentionally set.

Screenshot_20200515-100512_Chrome.jpg.395c24c88fea19e44fe1b54903b60ca9.jpg

 

Terrifying disease. Can you believe they get to net herring? Outrageous.

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Allowing them to do as they please doesn't particularly bother me. My question is with this supposed guilt we are supposed to have for what happened to their ancestors that somehow makes “us” owe them something. In that theory “we” also owe the African Americans a whole lot; how come they do not get anything special that I know of? Seems like lopsided reasoning...

 

I would think better reasoning is because it is their tribal rights to keep practicing the rituals their ancestors took part in.

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1 hour ago, Joe G said:

Harassed? 

 

That has to be one of the most silliest accusations that I've heard in a long time..  

 

 

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I am taken back by your comments Joe    Yes the paper indicates they have been harassed , including the children and wifes . Why would that be a silly accusation at all. They are in there legal rights to take herring just like we have legal rights to the beaches and Great Ponds to fish and Hunt. without folks coming down and making threats as to what they are doing with out knowing all of the facts. In some cases some have defaced there vehicles along with making threats .

The fishing public know full well what there rights are , but they are unable identify them , so it does not make for a smooth situation . That is why I suggested as I have also in the past that the tribal leaders request they place there tribal card so every one can see it for less problems overall. Peace and Prayers

 

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The herring piece is a cultural component. It's not like the state is tossing them reparation checks.

 

Not interested in side tracking a thread into PG territory, but I will say I'm not on the feeling guilty train when it comes to actions people long dead committed 400 years ago. 200 years ago. 50 years ago. Even last week.

 

So long as history doesn't get papered over, that's where I stand.

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This absolutely happens. IMO, the state has done a poor job of educating people on this subject. Back when the herring moratorium went through they should have done a better job of letting the general public know what was allowed in terms of native people's and their harvesting rights. 

 

Hell, even when it comes to shellfishing people don't get it. A certain natural resource officer in a town I used to live got himself in hot water more than one time in a stand off with a person of native descent. 

 

Now to be fair, some of the native peoples have behaved in ways rather unbecoming. But is this due to past treatment while obtaining what is rightfully theirs, or are they just behaving badly? Either way, the outcome of any situation is dependent on how everyone acts, and hopefully people can act like adults to work things out.

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They have a right to park at town permit only beaches and ramps as well, as long as they sport the proper tribal ID sticker in the car window.

I was foolish to question this once, not realizing they were from a tribe,  and was given pleasant and proper advice of the protocol.

I have a deep respect for native Americans and their rights.

I spent some time in Oregon on the Columbia River, and there is quite a large population of tribal fishermen.

 

You know how here in the US if you are born you are an American citizen?

Well, if you are native, member of tribal heritage...you are even more entitled, because they were here first before our Nation was even created.

Its NOT because 'we owe them something" as was said. 

But I do sometimes question the legitimacy of casinos.

 

 

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1 hour ago, IamFish said:

Why is it silly when they are being accused of poaching?  They have every right to fish as the law allows.  

 

They are not accused.  The claim is harassment. 

 

41 mins ago, Angler #1 said:

...   Yes the paper indicates they have been harassed , including the children and wifes ….

 

What was allegedly said by non tribal members was not harassment.  

 

It was an observation and/or a declarative statement by the non tribal member who was concerned about the specie.  .

 

The wearing of a tribal card to identify ones ethnicity?  Scary thought.       

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