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704z Manual Pickup for Bait

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9 hours ago, fishhappy said:

I have a 704z that I plan on converting to a manual pickup. Will this work for bait?

Not a good idea

Gary (Gary2 lures) used to fish his MP 704 with bait. I saw him get spooled bacause the the rod was spiked while he took a piss and line had fallen off and he didn't realize a fish was on. Watched him lose a bunch of fish because he couldn't get the line back on the roller to set the hook before the fish dropped the bait.

 

It's more of a PIA than it's worth. Used 704's are cheap, get another one with a bail

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10 hours ago, fishhappy said:

The bail trips on casts every once In awhile. I guess I could start by replacing the rotar brake.

the bail on the 704z is a horrorshow.  Get rid of the bail and its fine to soak bait if thats what you plan to do. I uses mine occasionally for that. Keep in mind the spool likes to turn a bit on a cast so it is possible to catch the roller if you arent careful but other than that the bailess 704 is better than the bailed imho. Also I do not spike the rod when I chunk I hold it so I dunno if the line coming off the roller is a thing that happens often.

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8 mins ago, genu said:

the bail on the 704z is a horrorshow.  Get rid of the bail and its fine to soak bait if thats what you plan to do. I uses mine occasionally for that. Keep in mind the spool likes to turn a bit on a cast so it is possible to catch the roller if you arent careful but other than that the bailess 704 is better than the bailed imho. Also I do not spike the rod when I chunk I hold it so I dunno if the line coming off the roller is a thing that happens often.

I usually spike it when the bite is slow or when I have a couple rods out.

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I fish bailess when chunking and have never had a problem . I’ve used a 704 and vs 300. 
  I can’t imagine all tension being lost on the line. Maybe if it’s dead calm and no sweep at all . 
   

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if you have your 704 handle bottomed out down , the handle will not move and the bail will not flip over 

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6 hours ago, fishhappy said:

Without the trip lever, what holds the bail down when you pull it back?

I put a plastic washer in between the bail screw and rotor to create friction so the bail stays closed. Just tighten it down. It works.

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15 hours ago, LB said:

Replace the rubber brake that the trip lever ride on when the bail is in the open position. Picking up the line when the fish is on a run could lead to a nice gash (cut ) on your finger if you're using a braided line.

Key# 21B  Part# 21B-704 Roter Brake

I am leaning toward replacing the brake and keeping the bail. 

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13 hours ago, Sudsy said:

Not a good idea

Gary (Gary2 lures) used to fish his MP 704 with bait. I saw him get spooled bacause the the rod was spiked while he took a piss and line had fallen off and he didn't realize a fish was on. Watched him lose a bunch of fish because he couldn't get the line back on the roller to set the hook before the fish dropped the bait.

 

It's more of a PIA than it's worth. Used 704's are cheap, get another one with a bail

 

 

10 hours ago, Bwt570 said:

I put a plastic washer in between the bail screw and rotor to create friction so the bail stays closed. Just tighten it down. It works.

If I do keep the bail, I am going to try the method with the plastic washer.

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13 mins ago, fishhappy said:

 

 

If I do keep the bail, I am going to try the method with the plastic washer.

I used one of those plastic grocery store bonus points cards and cut a washer out to the exact size needed. I too am not fond of the bailless reels so I just tinkered until I got something to work. The bail has not closed once on me while casting. I am surprised nobody has posted this idea before. 

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12 hours ago, steve44 said:

if you have your 704 handle bottomed out down , the handle will not move and the bail will not flip over 

Its baffling watching people lose lures to premature bail flip and ignore me when I tell them "handle down!"

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Spike rod with slight angle toward water after cast ,tighten line with soft rod tip slightly bent ,make sure very light drag set, sit on ass and wait for strike.

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On 5/3/2020 at 11:03 AM, fishhappy said:

The bail trips on casts every once In awhile. I guess I could start by replacing the rotar brake.

In my opinion most of the time the cause is the reel not being timed. 

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I may have fixed the problem with grease. I packed it with blue marine grease and when I opened it, the reel was half full, like the grease compressed, so I packed it again. Now it’s tight the clicking is muffled, and The rotor does not move during a cast. I ordered the rubber brake as a precaution.

Also, if anyone is interested, I can share an idea to modify two parts to make the reel manual with a bail. The parts would have to be made, this project requires a skilled tradesman. I’m not looking for anything other than passing along the thoughts.

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