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1 hour ago, JimK said:

Not at all.. I'm saying people have had enough of Smurphys egotistical Corona Fed power trip... The more statistics that come out regarding how much more wide spread the virus is the more apparent that it's truly only dangerous to a small at Risk population thereby negating the need for his draconian **** measures.  The people have had enough and will do what they want regardless of the tyranny thrust upon them.  Up the revolution!! 

Why don’t we shoot all those at risk and be done with it so you can go fishing?
 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, levari said:

Why don’t we shoot all those at risk and be done with it so you can go fishing?
 

 

 

 

That is one of the most absurd statements I've heard in a long time. You know and I know there are plenty of places to fish that are not closed down. And I don't want anyone to die from this disease. But if you are at risk there are things you can do to minimize your chances of catching virus. At risk people should stay home. The general population should not be forced to do so.  We all can wear masks when we go to any business site, or any other place that is crowded. Why did the political  powers that be  think it is okay to leave all the at-risk people in nursing homes? It's almost like they were left there to die. There were far better Solutions I am sure.  The retail establishments that are open are proof that we don't need the lockdowns. Otherwise anyone who's been shopping would likely be ill according to Murphy's way of thinking.

This country is based upon principles of freedom. I'm tired of the nanny state telling me what I can and cannot do and when I can and cannot do it. It just gets worse and worse. This whole virus situation is leading to further erosions of my freedoms in New Jersey. This place is a police state it has been for many many years. Why would anyone want to further the process of making this a completely socialistic place to live? If Kim Jeong Un is alive  maybe he should run to be the next governor of New Jersey . Cuz that's where we're headed and fast!

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41 mins ago, JimK said:

That is one of the most absurd statements I've heard in a long time. You know and I know there are plenty of places to fish that are not closed down. And I don't want anyone to die from this disease. But if you are at risk there are things you can do to minimize your chances of catching virus. At risk people should stay home. The general population should not be forced to do so.  We all can wear masks when we go to any business site, or any other place that is crowded. Why did the political  powers that be  think it is okay to leave all the at-risk people in nursing homes? It's almost like they were left there to die. There were far better Solutions I am sure.  The retail establishments that are open are proof that we don't need the lockdowns. Otherwise anyone who's been shopping would likely be ill according to Murphy's way of thinking.

This country is based upon principles of freedom. I'm tired of the nanny state telling me what I can and cannot do and when I can and cannot do it. It just gets worse and worse. This whole virus situation is leading to further erosions of my freedoms in New Jersey. This place is a police state it has been for many many years. Why would anyone want to further the process of making this a completely socialistic place to live? If Kim Jeong Un is alive  maybe he should run to be the next governor of New Jersey . Cuz that's where we're headed and fast!

How different is Murphy from the governors of New York, Rhode Island, Florida and the rest of them? How different is he from the leadership of all the European countries? 
 

You suggest people at risk should stay home but who will be shopping for food for them? You? How would they protect themselves if they need to visit a doctor and everyone around is carrying the virus ?

How many of those that are not at risk but still will be require hospitalization? Will there be enough beds for them? 

 

Talking about freedom? Why should we be required to wear sitting belts? Drive below 65MPH on the highway? Why should we be restricted where to smoke and where not to smoke? 

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2 mins ago, levari said:

How different is Murphy from the governors of New York, Rhode Island, Florida and the rest of them? How different is he from the leadership of all the European countries? 
 

You suggest people at risk should stay home but who will be shopping for food for them? You?

 

Talking about freedom? Why should we be required to wear sitting belts? Drive below 65MPH on the highway? Why should we be restricted where to smoke and where not to smoke? 

You proved my point. Exactly! Why? If such restrictions and government control was a good thing this country never would have been formed.  I should be allowed to make my own decisions and either reap the rewards or suffer the consequences.  That my friend is freedom...  We would have stayed in England and the rest of Europe if we wanted to be ruled by monarchs. Murphy and Cuomo, perfect together.  

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4 hours ago, levari said:

Why don’t we shoot all those at risk and be done with it so you can go fishing?
 

 

 

 

How about instead of shooting those that are at risk or nuking the economy that will no doubt cause endless pain and suffering we quarantine the at risk population. A quarantine is when you shelter the sick from the healthy. First time in history that we're sheltering the healthy. Only reason why we're doing that because establishment (medical, govt) got caught with their pants down and didnt want to be responsible for deaths due to insufficient planning.

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4 mins ago, adams54 said:

How about instead of shooting those that are at risk or nuking the economy that will no doubt cause endless pain and suffering we quarantine the at risk population. A quarantine is when you shelter the sick from the healthy. First time in history that we're sheltering the healthy. Only reason why we're doing that because establishment (medical, govt) got caught with their pants down and didnt want to be responsible for deaths due to insufficient planning.

No doubt that the leadership of this country screwed up big time by delaying the action they took. It cost us the length of time that we are in lock down and the time it will take us to get out of it. The close down should have started much earlier. There was no way out of it. There aren’t  many nations in the free world That did not go through the close down. The only different that some nations had a shorter lock down since their leadership recognized early that covid 19 is not a simple flu. 

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“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” ....Thomas Jefferson

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I’m as much for freedoms as anyone but we’re dealing with a new, unprecedented, highly contagious virus with no treatment or cure that primarily kills those at higher risks but also young and healthy. I know of multiple people who were healthy that have died. I know people who haven’t left the house in weeks that got infected some how from a family member that was only going to the grocery store and home. I’m in Ny which has been hit harder. At one point almost 1000 people dying per day. All you have to do is see the tractor trailers filled within bodies and mass grave at Hart island to know this isn’t like a “bad flu”. I respect individual freedoms but do we have the right to hurt others by transmitting a deadly virus to them? All those nursing home people who died were infected by the general population who brought it to them. They didn’t ask for it. They weren’t being irresponsible. While I’m for freedom, I also believe in taking care of and protecting fellow humans. The lockdown has been painful but we are coming around. Deaths are down dramatically and no doubt many thousands of people have remained alive because of it. I can forfeit some freedoms to save thousands of people. 
 

The govs can say business is open tomorrow and most of us aren’t going to be running to the mall, movie theater or baseball game. It’s going to take a long while and some sort of treatment to get back to anything close to business as usual. Where would we be if there were never a shutdown or stay at home order?  Many more dead people and still nobody at the movies, restaurants, stadiums. People still losing jobs, not spending money. Private companies still choosing to shut down to protect employees.. Even without a Gov shut down, there would be a shut down anyway. 
 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Stripsettter said:

I’m as much for freedoms as anyone but we’re dealing with a new, unprecedented, highly contagious virus with no treatment or cure that primarily kills those at higher risks but also young and healthy. I know of multiple people who were healthy that have died. I know people who haven’t left the house in weeks that got infected some how from a family member that was only going to the grocery store and home. I’m in Ny which has been hit harder. At one point almost 1000 people dying per day. All you have to do is see the tractor trailers filled within bodies and mass grave at Hart island to know this isn’t like a “bad flu”. I respect individual freedoms but do we have the right to hurt others by transmitting a deadly virus to them? All those nursing home people who died were infected by the general population who brought it to them. They didn’t ask for it. They weren’t being irresponsible. While I’m for freedom, I also believe in taking care of and protecting fellow humans. The lockdown has been painful but we are coming around. Deaths are down dramatically and no doubt many thousands of people have remained alive because of it. I can forfeit some freedoms to save thousands of people. 
 

The govs can say business is open tomorrow and most of us aren’t going to be running to the mall, movie theater or baseball game. It’s going to take a long while and some sort of treatment to get back to anything close to business as usual. Where would we be if there were never a shutdown or stay at home order?  Many more dead people and still nobody at the movies, restaurants, stadiums. People still losing jobs, not spending money. Private companies still choosing to shut down to protect employees.. Even without a Gov shut down, there would be a shut down anyway. 
 

 

 

Nailed it. Agree 100%. 

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With all the negativity regarding this weekend I thought I would post something positive. I fished a Bayshore beach up from a county park today (technically part of the park) and when I got there, I was one of three groups in a 300+ yard stretch.  More people showed up as the day progressed but still less than on a typical week night. These groups were mostly immediate families spaced out 30+ feet away from others. If Murphy walked down this beach he would not have disapproved of any of the fishing taking place. I can’t say that about all the park goers, but definitely the fishermen. These parks were opened so that they could be used responsibly and that exactly what happened.

 

 

 

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50 mins ago, mike07gsxr said:

Nailed it. Agree 100%. 

Nailed it?  Most of it was opinion and fact less.   For example, many, not all, of the nursing home deaths resulted from transferring patients from hospitals back to the nursing after they were considered “recovered” from COVID-19. 

 

Young, healthy folks dying as a result of this virus are few and far between.  Almost an anomaly.  The vast majority are compromised elderly and those with weakened immune systems.  You do realize about 98% of people this is of no concern? 
 

40 out of 100,000 are hospitalized. . . 
That’s .04 percent.

 

 
  • The overall cumulative COVID-19 associated hospitalization rate is 40.4 per 100,000, with the highest rates in people 65 years and older (131.6 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (63.7 per 100,000).
    • Hospitalization rates for COVID-19 in adults (18-64 years) are higher than hospitalization rates for influenza at comparable time points* during the past 5 influenza seasons.
    • For people 65 years and older, current COVID-19 hospitalization rates are similar to those observed during comparable time points* during recent high severity influenza seasons.
    • For children (0-17 years), COVID-19 hospitalization rates are much lower than influenza hospitalization rates during recent influenza seasons.

Source CDC 5/1/2020.

 

Everyone has done what was needed to flatten the curve.  Time to get back to “normal” and get our economy back.  We know what to do, I’m one of those high risk people and will take precautions going forward.  But we don’t need to kill our economy or restrict people from living their lives.

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56 mins ago, Sevendust111 said:

If Murphy walked down this beach he would not have disapproved of any of the fishing taking place. 

 

EFF MURPHY... :witty:Effect_20200428_104628.jpg.8764ad085790867793ac9dd3c62078c6.jpg

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21 mins ago, cartopper said:

Nailed it?  Most of it was opinion and fact less.   For example, many, not all, of the nursing home deaths resulted from transferring patients from hospitals back to the nursing after they were considered “recovered” from COVID-19. 

 

Young, healthy folks dying as a result of this virus are few and far between.  Almost an anomaly.  The vast majority are compromised elderly and those with weakened immune systems.  You do realize about 98% of people this is of no concern? 
 

40 out of 100,000 are hospitalized. . . 
That’s .04 percent.

 

 
  • The overall cumulative COVID-19 associated hospitalization rate is 40.4 per 100,000, with the highest rates in people 65 years and older (131.6 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (63.7 per 100,000).
    • Hospitalization rates for COVID-19 in adults (18-64 years) are higher than hospitalization rates for influenza at comparable time points* during the past 5 influenza seasons.
    • For people 65 years and older, current COVID-19 hospitalization rates are similar to those observed during comparable time points* during recent high severity influenza seasons.
    • For children (0-17 years), COVID-19 hospitalization rates are much lower than influenza hospitalization rates during recent influenza seasons.

Source CDC 5/1/2020.

 

Everyone has done what was needed to flatten the curve.  Time to get back to “normal” and get our economy back.  We know what to do, I’m one of those high risk people and will take precautions going forward.  But we don’t need to kill our economy or restrict people from living their lives.

A lot of unknowns with this yet. And info from the great CDC that completely screwed up the rollout of  testing

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-52439005

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1 hour ago, Potato Caboose said:

A lot of unknowns with this yet. And info from the great CDC that completely screwed up the rollout of  testing

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-52439005

Please, stop the Monday morning quarterbacking . . . These are currents facts put out by the CDC, not guidance or direction.  So far, 40 out of 100,000 have been hospitalized.  Thats .04 percent.  
 

Small business owners are losing their life savings because of an economic shutdown.  Folks have been stripped of their freedom as a result of this pandemic.  The majority took it very serious and did the right thing.  We flattened the curve, now we need to begin the process of returning to some assemblance of normalcy.

 

Is your suggestion to stay shutdown until all the unknowns are known?

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