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The unvaccinated will continue to tax our health care system and increase the probability of vaccine resistant variants occurring.  People have their reasons to not get the vaccine, whatever that is, and realistically this isn't going away because so many people will choose to not get it for those reasons-and nothing anyone can say or do will change that...we should just continue to live as close to normal as possible and deal with the consequences.

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Just now, z-man said:

I don’t really care if anyone wears a mask but if they are going to start mandating it again then start with the people more likely to get sick and that would be the ones unvaccinated. 

 

      No so not true... your just as likely to get sick either way... but the unvaccinated will build

      immunity not create vaccine resistant variants.. what you think antibiotics do ?  

     

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14 mins ago, Carlezon said:

 

      No so not true... your just as likely to get sick either way... but the unvaccinated will build

      immunity not create vaccine resistant variants.. what you think antibiotics do ?  

     

Darwinism at work.

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2 mins ago, Fly By Nite said:

Darwinism at work.

 

     Yup life and death ... Theres a whole ballroom.. but everyone is trying to dance on a stamp..         

     

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24 mins ago, Carlezon said:

 

      No so not true... your just as likely to get sick either way... but the unvaccinated will build

      immunity not create vaccine resistant variants.. what you think antibiotics do ?  

     

What science proves that theory?

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27 mins ago, Carlezon said:

 

      No so not true... your just as likely to get sick either way... but the unvaccinated will build

      immunity not create vaccine resistant variants.. what you think antibiotics do ?  

     

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3 mins ago, z-man said:

What science proves that theory?

 

         The science of #1 people who got the vaccine getting sick again and 2 the science of 

         using the immunity from those that were unvaccinated when this whole thing first blew up..

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I know of several people who are dealing with long haul Covid, which is the only thing that worries me about getting it...

 

Something in Patients' Eyes Could Reveal The Presence of 'Long COVID', Doctors Say

sciencealert.com/something-in-your-eyes-may-reveal-if-you-ve-got-long-covid-scientists-say

26 JULY 2021

The punishing symptoms of long COVID are largely invisible to the eye, but new research suggests one of the hallmarks of the disease could literally be staring us in the face.

Long COVID refers to a staggering range of debilitating symptoms that up to 30 percent of patients endure long after recovering from acute SARS-CoV-2 infection, including brain fog, headaches, fatigue, loss of taste and/or smell, and more.

Many of these discomforts aren't always obvious on the outside, but according to a new study, long COVID might actually be detectable in the eyes of patients, in the form of nerve damage that can be seen in the cornea.

The cornea is a transparent dome that forms the front surface of the eye, covering the iris and pupil.

Nerve damage in the cornea can be detected by a non-invasive laser technique called corneal confocal microscopy (CCM), which has been used by researchers to identify corneal abnormalities linked to a range of diseases, such as nerve damage from diabetes, multiple sclerosis, and fibromyalgia.

Here, the team used the same technique to see if CCM could identify corneal nerve damage and increased dendritic cells (DCs, a type of immune system cell) in cases of long COVID. They compared the results of 40 patients with previous COVID-19 infections against CCM observations of 30 healthy individuals who never had the disease.

According to the researchers, CCM can be used to help indicate long COVID, with corneal scans of a subset of the COVID-19 group (patients who reported ongoing neurological symptoms after recovery from the virus) showing greater corneal nerve fiber damage and loss, along with higher counts of dendritic cells, than healthy participants.

"To the best of our knowledge, this is the first study reporting corneal nerve loss and an increase in DC density in patients who have recovered from COVID-19, especially in subjects with persisting symptoms consistent with long COVID," the researchers, led by first author Gulfidan Bitirgen from Necmettin Erbakan University in Turkey, write in their paper.

While this is only a small study – and an observational study at that, which can't confirm that COVID-19 actually caused these patients' corneal abnormalities – the links here nonetheless amount to further evidence of how SARS-CoV-2 infection may contribute to neurological and neuropathic problems.

This could be due to potential disruptions to healthy nerve fiber development, leading to an increase in dendritic cells summoned as part of our immune response.

"These findings are consistent with an innate immune and inflammatory process characterized by the migration and accumulation of DCs in the central cornea in a number of immune mediated and inflammatory conditions," the team explains.

"Further study of the relative change in mature and immature DC density and corneal nerves in COVID-19 patients over time may provide insights into the contribution of immune and inflammatory pathways to nerve degeneration."

According to the results, the patients with more severe cases of COVID-19 tended to exhibit greater corneal nerve damage, so it's possible the eye abnormalities shown here all stem from the way the disease presents in patients, the researchers suggest.

As the team acknowledges, more research with much larger cohorts is needed to pursue these early leads, but for now it's yet another example of how closely eye health is linked to our wider health, which is why techniques like CCM could have great promise as future diagnostic aids.

"Corneal confocal microscopy may have clinical utility as a rapid objective ophthalmic test to evaluate patients with long COVID," the researchers say.

The findings are reported in British Journal of Ophthalmology.


 

 

 

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Here's the important parts of the Ptown situation, from today's CC Times:

 

"...As of Friday, 551 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 were associated with the Provincetown virus cluster, according to state Department of Public Health data presented at the Sunday meeting. Of that number, 394 are Massachusetts residents, 171 of whom reside in Provincetown. The remainder of individuals who tested positive reside in other states.

 

Of the cases among Massachusetts residents, 71% of the individuals had symptoms and 69% reported they were fully vaccinated, according to the presentation. Apart from three hospitalizations — two in Massachusetts and one out-of-state — symptoms are considered mild and without complication, such as having a cold.

 

Out of the three hospitalizations, one person was vaccinated but was released quickly, Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment Director Sean O'Brien said at the Sunday meeting..."

 

 

 

 

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On 7/27/2021 at 4:27 PM, flyangler said:

I know of several people who are dealing with long haul Covid, which is the only thing that worries me about getting it...

 

Something in Patients' Eyes Could Reveal The Presence of 'Long COVID', Doctors Say

 

 

           Yup its rough business at times planet earth a-lot of seemingly raw deals and unfair things 

           that no amount money or judge can do thing about...(That should clue folks in) but in the 

           end you might have a few more scorned pistons but you won't be as shallow a soul either... 

           

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1 hour ago, Carlezon said:

 

       Unvaccinated people are not dragging anything out what a BS line that is .. If you 

       want the jab get it .. if you don't  don't get it.. If don't like it ..stay the f home .. or move..

       If your so safe with the jab what the hell you worried about? Were on planet earth folks 

       you have a much better chance of dying from many other things...Our Freedoms first

       your fears can go to the back of the line.. 

    

              

Back of the line, right next to your fear of the jab. Got it!

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1 hour ago, Carlezon said:

 

      No so not true... your just as likely to get sick either way... but the unvaccinated will build

      immunity not create vaccine resistant variants.. what you think antibiotics do ?  

     

Your qualified to make such broad statements? Dr? Virologist? Clinician? Epidemiologist? Do tell us why we should lend credence to your posts. 

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27 mins ago, PatchyFog said:

Here's the important parts of the Ptown situation, from today's CC Times:

 

"...As of Friday, 551 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 were associated with the Provincetown virus cluster, according to state Department of Public Health data presented at the Sunday meeting. Of that number, 394 are Massachusetts residents, 171 of whom reside in Provincetown. The remainder of individuals who tested positive reside in other states.

 

Of the cases among Massachusetts residents, 71% of the individuals had symptoms and 69% reported they were fully vaccinated, according to the presentation. Apart from three hospitalizations — two in Massachusetts and one out-of-state — symptoms are considered mild and without complication, such as having a cold.

 

Out of the three hospitalizations, one person was vaccinated but was released quickly, Barnstable County Department of Health and Environment Director Sean O'Brien said at the Sunday meeting..."

 

 

 

 

So, cases are positive, but mild, for vaccinated people

 

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2 mins ago, Carlezon said:

 

               Haha.. yeah I'm trembling..

You're terrified of the jab. Face it. 

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