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Is POTUS extortion capped?

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Since left wingers here are now arguing that it's SOP for POTUS to use Aid money to extort nations for personal gain,

I wonder is there a dollar amount cap on this criminal behavior?

 

Trump Deserves Nobel Prize In Economics For Withholding Ukraine Aid
By US Politics And News Last updated Oct 7, 2019

 

If President Donald Trump is impeached and removed from office for withholding military aid from Ukraine, it will go down in history as one of the stupidest coups of all time.

Even if everything happened exactly as described in the fever-pitched brain of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) has described, where is the crime?

 

Put more specifically, if Trump had withheld $391 million in US aid to Ukraine unless they investigate Joe Biden’s son, what is the crime? There’s no statute on the books that says a president cannot withhold aid from a foreign nation – for any reason at all.

If a duly elected president doesn’t like the cut of a foreign leader’s jib and decides to withhold aid, that is the prerogative of the people’s elected president.

 

The real reason so many people on the left are infuriated by Trump’s actions is because he has violated the religious tenets of globalism. They don’t believe your tax dollars should be withheld from a foreign country for any reason, ever.

 

The practice of giving American taxpayer money to foreign countries, along with “free trade” agreements, are a post-World War II development. However, foreign aid and trade access to the American marketplace was always used as a “carrot and stick” approach to reforming foreign countries.

 

If nations wanted aid and access to American consumers, they needed to lift restrictions on speech, religious freedoms, capitalism and other things that people deserve. If you want the carrot – access and aid – you needed to stop being a jerk socialist country to your people.

Likewise, if a foreign nation started being jerks and implementing socialist, freedom-restricting policies, they got the “stick:” No access to American markets through trade deals and no foreign aid. It was a “strings attached” approach to diplomacy that every president through Ronald Reagan followed.

But then globalists abandoned that policy. George HW Bush threw it out the window, to the praise and adulation of both the New York Times and the Cato Institute. The outrageous culmination of this in terms of trade deals was Barack Obama’s Transpacific Partnership (TPP), which was only defeated by the election of Donald Trump.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton had included the Sultan of Brunei as one of the free trade partners of the US in the TPP. The Sultan of Brunei!

For those who don’t know, Brunei is an Islamic dictatorship that utilizes kidnapped foreign slave labor in its factories. Those “workers” are completely unpaid, obviously. But it doesn’t occur to the likes of Obama and Clinton that this would be an unfair advantage to, for example, textile workers in South Carolina.

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Foreign aid has been equally disastrous since the abandonment of the carrot and stick approach. It was a runaway train under Obama’s leadership.

In 2009, the last fiscal year when the George W. Bush administration had set the spending priorities for foreign aid, the US gave up $24 billion in exchange for… nothing at all.

 

Fiscal year 2017 was Barack Obama’s final year for setting foreign aid levels. In just 8 years, Obama had ballooned foreign aid from $24 billion to more than $47 billion in exchange for nothing at all.

To their great credit, President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have cut foreign aid back to $30 billion per year in fiscal years 2016 through 2020. But they have yet to get the foreign aid levels back down to the pre-Obama levels.

Trump’s greatest sin in the eyes of his hateful detractors is not that he asked for a quid pro quo from Ukraine. Everyone knows he didn’t, because President Trump took the unprecedented action of declassifying the transcript of his call with Ukraine’s President Zelensky. Trump’s enemies are filled with hatred because he has returned the carrot and stick principle to American foreign policy.

 

What are you going to do for the United States if we give you this money, Trump asks?

That’s a fair question, given the actions of the previous four administrations that believed that foreign countries deserved our tax dollars for no particular reason.

The fact that Trump is willing to ask any foreign leader that question on behalf of the American taxpayers is a big part of the reason why we elected him. Exactly what are we getting out of giving so much money away to foreign nations?

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Nice observation.

 

Parents do these sorts of things all the time, and no one seems to get upset about it. Employers, teachers, practically any interaction including boyfriend girlfriends stuff involves a quid pro quo of some kind. All of them are fine, but when Trump does it then it becomes unacceptable. 

 

Schifty has tricked the leftists again. He used their hatred against them and has lead them down a garden path to losing the upcoming election big time. They actually believed that he would be removed from office and that they would get Pence, too.

 

If a president is never allowed to use a quid pro quo for personal political progress....how does he get anything through Congress ?

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There is no crime in asking for an investigation into potential wrong doings as long as the results of the investigation are the honest facts.  There is a crime in suppressing an investigation that has potential of revealing crimes that may have been committed.  This is what the d's don't get.  (Well actually they get it.  They want it both ways when their guy gets caught suppressing an investigation.)

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2 hours ago, FishinMortician said:

If a president is never allowed to use a quid pro quo for personal political progress....how does he get anything through Congress ?

Every Congressman is guilty of the same with all sorts of legislation.

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1 min ago, moonbat said:

Looks like we have a triggered swab this morning.

 

Let it go.

 

Orange man good.

Orange man always right.  :th:

moonbat saw the thread, nerved up in front of the mirror and recited this response to himself before he posted it.

 

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Just now, moonbat said:

Looks like we have a triggered swab this morning.

 

Let it go.

 

Orange man good.

Orange man always right.  :th:

Nah. Trump is wrong a lot in how he says things. It makes little pansies whine, like you do. We regularly point it out and agree he could and should do better. I can prove it. We all can. 

Looking into Biden though and his loser son's sudden rise to power in the FRIGGING UKRAINE? Yeah......Trump has that right.

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1 min ago, pakalolo said:

and re-elected in a landslide, so there's that.

Yes, he is gonna be even tougher to beat now that they have to exonerate him all over again. LOL

 

Conversation with Democrat Congressman and constituent.

 

Why did you vote to impeach the president ?

I didn’t vote to impeach the president, I voted to begin to impeach him.

Well why did you do that ?

Because he committed crimes.

So why didn't you impeach him ?

Because the polls went South on us.


 

Gonna give Trump hugely long and beautiful  coattails, too.

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7 mins ago, pakalolo said:

and re-elected in a landslide, so there's that.

The election usually turns on the economy.  And as of now most Americans are better off financially than they were three years ago.  The FED has started more QE to help.  (Even though they don't call it QE this time.)  So expect Trump to win.

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40 mins ago, SallyGrowler said:

moonbat saw the thread, nerved up in front of the mirror and recited this response to himself before he posted it.

 

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