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Who duped Schiff, Ciaramella, Vindman or both?

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Seriously, if both the WB and Schiff assumed Trump would never release the transcript, was Schiff an unaware dupe, a willing dupe, or just a dope? 
 

The major QPQ claim in the WB's compliant, contrary to his defenders' assertions, are not born out in the transcript. Vindman either embellished to Ciaramella or the latter juiced up the quid pro quo supposedly made. While I have called this a Rorschach Test, if really isn’t that close when one reads the entire transcript. If Trump does decide to read the transcript in a "fireside chat" format, it will be the first time tens of millions will know what is in the transcript. And it will then be left to the American people to decide, rather than the Demedia and their parsed and filtered rendition of the transcript.
 

Meanwhile, another Lt Colonel, to whom Vindman reported, has come out and said Vindman is a partisan. The Demedia and some here have chastised anyone who dares to criticize Vindman, will they attack LTC Hickman similarly? Or Thomas Lasch, Hickman's boss at the time? And what will it all sound like when the GOP, either in the House or Senate, call Hickman or Lasch to testify publicly? 

 

 

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Retired Army Officer Remembers Lt. Col. Vindman as Partisan Democrat Who Ridiculed America

A retired Army officer who worked with Democrat “star witness” Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman in Grafenwoher, Germany, claims Vindman “really talked up” President Barack Obama and ridiculed America and Americans in front of Russian military officers.

In an eye-opening thread on Twitter last week, retired U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Jim Hickman said that he “verbally reprimanded” Vindman after he heard some of his derisive remarks for himself. “Do not let the uniform fool you,” Hickman wrote. “He is a political activist in uniform.”

 

Hickman’s former boss at the Joint Multinational Simulation Center in Grafenwoehr has since gone on the record to corroborate his story.

 

Hickman, 52, says he’s a disabled wounded warrior who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and who received numerous medals, including the Purple Heart.

 

The retired officer said that Vindman, a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Ukraine, made fun of the United States to the point that it made other soldiers “uncomfortable.” For example, Hickman told American Greatness that he heard Vindman call Americans “rednecks”—a word that needed to be translated for the Russians. He said they all had a big laugh at America’s expense.

Hickman said he decided to come forward because Vindman “disobeyed a direct order from the commander-in-chief, his boss,” made his testimony “about his foreign policy opinions versus facts,” and “wore his Army service uniform to make a political statement” against the president.

 

“Then right on cue, the mainstream media began calling him a war hero with a purple heart, and completely beyond reproach,” Hickman wrote in a statement to American Greatness and another journalist. “Knowing his political bias, backed by his somewhat radical left-leaning ideology, it was my obligation, indeed my duty, to come forward with this information. I couldn’t go to the same mainstream media to put it out, nor could I go to the Army, as they’re backing Vindman, so I took to Twitter, a source for getting the truth out,” he added.

 

According to Hickman, Vindman was the Defense Department attaché at the Russian embassy in Germany when he met him in 2013. He told American Greatness that he also met Vindman’s twin brother Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman while he was stationed in Germany.

 

“I know LTC Alex Vindman from a Combined US-Russian exercise called Atlas Vision [13] in Grafenwoher,” Hickman wrote on Twitter. “He worked with the Russian Embassy and I was assigned to the JMTC (Joint Multinational Training Command), within USAREUR (US Army Europe). He worked coordination w/the Russian 15th Peacekeeping Brigade, and I was in charge of all Simulations planning, as well as assisting the USAREUR Lead Planner as the Senior Military Planner.”

 

He noted that he and Vindman had “interacted on several different occasions throughout the planning cycle, but it was during the actual execution of the exercise that we had an issue relevant to his recent testimony.”

Laughing At Americans’ Expense

Hickman said he had pretty much forgotten about Vindman until recently.

 

“When I saw him, and understood what he was trying to accomplish, I knew immediately he was involved in this mess as a partisan Democrat,” Hickman said in his statement.

 

He explained on Twitter that Vindman, who was a major in 2013, sat in on the US-Russian exercises that were conducted in “Virtual Battle Simulations 2 (VBS2) classrooms simulation.”

 

According to Hickman, Vindman spoke with “U.S. and Russian Soldiers, as well as the young officers and GS employees about America, Russia, and Obama.”

 

Hickman’s Oct. 31 tweets continue below in paragraph form for easier reading:

He was apologetic of American culture, laughed about Americans not being educated or worldly, & really talked up Obama & globalism to the point of (sic) uncomfortable.

 

He would speak w/the Russian Soldiers & laugh as if at the expense of the US personnel. It was so uncomfortable & unprofessional, one of the GS [civil service]employees came & told me everything above. I walked over & sat w/in earshot of Vindman, & sure enough, all was confirmed.

 

One comment truly struck me as odd, & it was w/respect to American’s falsely thinking they’re exceptional, when he said, “He [Obama] is working on that now.” And he said it w/a snide ‘I know a secret’ look on his face. I honestly don’t know what it meant, it just sounded like an odd thing to say.

 

Regardless, after hearing him bash America a few times in front of subordinates, Russians, & GS Employees, as well as, hearing an earful about globalization, Obama’s plan, etc., I’d had enough. I tapped him on the shoulder & asked him to step outside. At that point I verbally reprimanded him for his actions, & I’ll leave it at that, so as not to be unprofessional myself.

 

The bottom-line is LTC Vindman was a partisan Democrat at least as far back as [2013]. So much so, junior officers & soldiers felt uncomfortable around him. This is not your professional, field-grade officer, who has the character & integrity to do the right thing. Do not let the uniform fool you…he is a political activist in uniform. I pray our nation will drop this hate, vitriol & division, & unite as our founding fathers intended!"

Thomas Lasch, Hickman’s boss at the time, corroborated his story on Twitter.

 

“Jim, I remember exercise ATLAS VISION and this incident. I was your Boss at the time and was satisfied when you told me that you ‘took care of it’ (meaning then MAJ Vindman’s disparaging comments about the U.S. to the Russians ) and I just put things together this past week,” Lasch tweeted.

 

Lasch is a highly respected simulation strategist at the Joint Multinational Simulation Center in Grafenwoehr, Germany where he is responsible for the “Live Virtual Constructive and Gaming simulation program for all U.S. Forces in Europe.”

 

Lasch vouched for Hickman in a second tweet: “Everyone on this thread should know that Jim Hickman’s patriotism and honesty is unparalleled. He is one of my personal heroes.” He added: “This is not about Trump! This is about an officer [LTC Vindman] that is disloyal to the United States of America.”

 

American Greatness was able to reach Lasch through his LinkedIn account.He verified that the recently established Twitter account in his name vouching for Hickman was indeed his.

 

“Yes this is my LinkedIn account. It is really me. And the Twitter account is mine as well,” Lasch said.

 

In his statement, Hickman explained why Lasch remembered the incident with Vindman: “I did question his patriotism to our nation, and the lack of respect given to Americans in general. I was indeed furious and that’s most likely why my boss Tom Lasch remembers it so clearly.”

 

“I corrected him solely as a superior officer witnessing a junior officer doing something wrong,” Hickman explained. “We as officers are not supposed to talk about our political leanings, especially in front of subordinates, and never are we to talk down about Americans and our culture.”

 

Hickman further explained to American Greatness that Vindman spoke favorably of the United Nations, and appeared contemptuous of Americans who didn’t appreciate the U.N.  Vindman, Hickman said, believed that “the U.N. should have broader powers” and “talked about how the American people weren’t worldly.”

 

He noted that Vindman actually used the word “globalism” during the conversation and “talked about American culture versus European culture,” unfavorably, essentially suggesting that “the U.S. has no culture.”

 

Hickman also told American Greatness that Vindman talked about “Obama changing America” and that it reminded him of Obama’s infamous“Fundamentally transforming America” speech of October 2008.

 

The former officer stressed that he was not seeking recognition or praise but instead, “to just get the facts and truth out that are relevant to the current situation.”

 

Hickman said in his statement that he began his Army career in military intelligence and was commissioned in 1996 as a field artillery officer.

 

He retired from the service in 2017 and now resides near Tampa, Florida.

Edited by tomkaz

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I’m guessing this Vindman is a serviceman who has such blind for Trump that he’s willing to sacrifice his own reputation and credibility in support of that hate.  It’s how I envision Knewbee would act, if he were in that position.

 

 His first allegiance is to the Libs and the deep state. 

 

 

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16 mins ago, ken r said:

Vindman a lying anti Trump partisan POS. Why is that not surprising?

But But the Uniform...  Our Media sells out America when ever they get the opportunity:mad:

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1 min ago, Harf said:

But But the Uniform...  Our Media sells out America when ever they get the opportunity:mad:

And they would sell out the uniform in a new york second if it fit their narrative.  

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I do not believe Schifty was tricked.

 

I think that this Barr investigation has many powerful people who are in the know very concerned. Had Trump had that exact same conversation with the leader of Norway, we would not have learned about it. But when people heard him ask the Ukranian leader to look into corruption.....word of that spread like wildfire.

 

I consider that Nancy had resisted calls for impeachment all this time. All the secret evidence Schifty has about Russia Russia is bound to add up to more than what they have with this. Suddenly she lurches forward with impeachment, even though Trump promised to release the transcript. She could not wait a few hours to read it herself ?

 

There were some dirty deals going down over there under the approval of Obama and Democrats were up to their eyeballs in it. Nancy’s son, Joe’s son, Kerry’s son, etc. Hillary’s association with Crowd Strike and her hidden emails that were unrecoverable. Spygate and who knows what else is involved.

 

This is all about trying to get Trump to call off the dogs. I think that fight between Nancy and Trump recently was her showing frustration that he will not stop the Barr investigation. I look for big things to come.

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Not surprising.  I knew a couple of guys like this in the military (and a far-right nutcase too.)  They are all a PITA, but as long as they don't cross the line, you tolerate them if they do their jobs and don't turn into cancers, as you should.  They never go all the way in their careers, but they can make 20 or more.  

 

Hell, we've got a couple here.

 

I even knew one leftist pilot who I'd fly with quite a lot.  Great guy in this case.  We'd through zingers at each other and laugh all flight long.  His politics didn't change how he did his job one bit.

 

This guy though, this one is a line-crosser who has confused his obligations with his feelings.  You can see it in the smirk.  Here's a superior breed and he's gonna take down a President.

 

 

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@Nessmuk - How do you, and other current or retired military, feel about Vindman wearing his uniform to a closed deposition?

 

It is certainly his right, but many service members have done similar in a suit. Just curious. 

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5 mins ago, tomkaz said:

@FishinMortician - Good post. One question:
 

Do you think any of the three mentioned in the title expected Trump to release the transcript as quickly and easily as it was released? 

No way.  He made them all irrelevant in a single action.  None of these "witnesses" matter.  All that matters now is what we think about it.

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3 mins ago, tomkaz said:

@FishinMortician - Good post. One question:
 

Do you think any of the three mentioned in the title expected Trump to release the transcript as quickly and easily as it was released? 

I do not think it influenced them at all. They are desperate to hide something that is related to the Ukraine and delay the Barr investigation. Having an Attorney General running around investigating politicians will always produce concerns. The Herr Mueller investigation served it’s purpose in that it delayed Barr. 
 

I suspect there is something that we are unaware of going on.

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2 mins ago, tomkaz said:

@Nessmuk - How do you, and other current or retired military, feel about Vindman wearing his uniform to a closed deposition?

 

It is certainly his right, but many service members have done similar in a suit. Just curious. 

 

He was asked to give testimony in his professional role.  I don't think he should be wearing a uniform at all, but if he's still in, it wasn't improper.

 

That said, his career is over.  He can't be trusted.  He won't get tossed, but he'll never see GO.  Hell spend the rest of his career filing IG complaints.

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7 hours ago, tomkaz said:

Seriously, if both the WB and Schiff assumed Trump would never release the transcript, was Schiff an unaware dupe, a willing dupe, or just a dope? 
 

The major QPQ claim in the WB's compliant, contrary to his defenders' assertions, are not born out in the transcript. Vindman either embellished to Ciaramella or the latter juiced up the quid pro quo supposedly made. While I have called this a Rorschach Test, if really isn’t that close when one reads the entire transcript. If Trump does decide to read the transcript in a "fireside chat" format, it will be the first time tens of millions will know what is in the transcript. And it will then be left to the American people to decide, rather than the Demedia and their parsed and filtered rendition of the transcript.
 

Meanwhile, another Lt Colonel, to whom Vindman reported, has come out and said Vindman is a partisan. The Demedia and some here have chastised anyone who dares to criticize Vindman, will they attack LTC Hickman similarly? Or Thomas Lasch, Hickman's boss at the time? And what will it all sound like when the GOP, either in the House or Senate, call Hickman or Lasch to testify publicly? 

 

 

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Retired Army Officer Remembers KnewBowe as Partisan Democrat Who Ridiculed America 

A retired Army officer who worked with Democrat “star witness” Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman in Grafenwoher, Germany, claims Vindman “really talked up” President Barack Obama and ridiculed America and Americans in front of Russian military officers.

In an eye-opening thread on Twitter last week, retired U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Jim Hickman said that he “verbally reprimanded” Vindman after he heard some of his derisive remarks for himself. “Do not let the uniform fool you,” Hickman wrote. “He is a political activist in uniform.”

 

Hickman’s former boss at the Joint Multinational Simulation Center in Grafenwoehr has since gone on the record to corroborate his story.

 

Hickman, 52, says he’s a disabled wounded warrior who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and who received numerous medals, including the Purple Heart.

 

The retired officer said that Vindman, a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Ukraine, made fun of the United States to the point that it made other soldiers “uncomfortable.” For example, Hickman told American Greatness that he heard Vindman call Americans “rednecks”—a word that needed to be translated for the Russians. He said they all had a big laugh at America’s expense.

Hickman said he decided to come forward because Vindman “disobeyed a direct order from the commander-in-chief, his boss,” made his testimony “about his foreign policy opinions versus facts,” and “wore his Army service uniform to make a political statement” against the president.

 

“Then right on cue, the mainstream media began calling him a war hero with a purple heart, and completely beyond reproach,” Hickman wrote in a statement to American Greatness and another journalist. “Knowing his political bias, backed by his somewhat radical left-leaning ideology, it was my obligation, indeed my duty, to come forward with this information. I couldn’t go to the same mainstream media to put it out, nor could I go to the Army, as they’re backing Vindman, so I took to Twitter, a source for getting the truth out,” he added.

 

According to Hickman, Vindman was the Defense Department attaché at the Russian embassy in Germany when he met him in 2013. He told American Greatness that he also met Vindman’s twin brother Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman while he was stationed in Germany.

 

“I know LTC Alex Vindman from a Combined US-Russian exercise called Atlas Vision [13] in Grafenwoher,” Hickman wrote on Twitter. “He worked with the Russian Embassy and I was assigned to the JMTC (Joint Multinational Training Command), within USAREUR (US Army Europe). He worked coordination w/the Russian 15th Peacekeeping Brigade, and I was in charge of all Simulations planning, as well as assisting the USAREUR Lead Planner as the Senior Military Planner.”

 

He noted that he and Vindman had “interacted on several different occasions throughout the planning cycle, but it was during the actual execution of the exercise that we had an issue relevant to his recent testimony.”

Laughing At Americans’ Expense

Hickman said he had pretty much forgotten about Vindman until recently.

 

“When I saw him, and understood what he was trying to accomplish, I knew immediately he was involved in this mess as a partisan Democrat,” Hickman said in his statement.

 

He explained on Twitter that Vindman, who was a major in 2013, sat in on the US-Russian exercises that were conducted in “Virtual Battle Simulations 2 (VBS2) classrooms simulation.”

 

According to Hickman, Vindman spoke with “U.S. and Russian Soldiers, as well as the young officers and GS employees about America, Russia, and Obama.”

 

Hickman’s Oct. 31 tweets continue below in paragraph form for easier reading:

He was apologetic of American culture, laughed about Americans not being educated or worldly, & really talked up Obama & globalism to the point of (sic) uncomfortable.

 

He would speak w/the Russian Soldiers & laugh as if at the expense of the US personnel. It was so uncomfortable & unprofessional, one of the GS [civil service]employees came & told me everything above. I walked over & sat w/in earshot of Vindman, & sure enough, all was confirmed.

 

One comment truly struck me as odd, & it was w/respect to American’s falsely thinking they’re exceptional, when he said, “He [Obama] is working on that now.” And he said it w/a snide ‘I know a secret’ look on his face. I honestly don’t know what it meant, it just sounded like an odd thing to say.

 

Regardless, after hearing him bash America a few times in front of subordinates, Russians, & GS Employees, as well as, hearing an earful about globalization, Obama’s plan, etc., I’d had enough. I tapped him on the shoulder & asked him to step outside. At that point I verbally reprimanded him for his actions, & I’ll leave it at that, so as not to be unprofessional myself.

 

The bottom-line is LTC Vindman was a partisan Democrat at least as far back as [2013]. So much so, junior officers & soldiers felt uncomfortable around him. This is not your professional, field-grade officer, who has the character & integrity to do the right thing. Do not let the uniform fool you…he is a political activist in uniform. I pray our nation will drop this hate, vitriol & division, & unite as our founding fathers intended!"

Thomas Lasch, Hickman’s boss at the time, corroborated his story on Twitter.

 

“Jim, I remember exercise ATLAS VISION and this incident. I was your Boss at the time and was satisfied when you told me that you ‘took care of it’ (meaning then MAJ Vindman’s disparaging comments about the U.S. to the Russians ) and I just put things together this past week,” Lasch tweeted.

 

Lasch is a highly respected simulation strategist at the Joint Multinational Simulation Center in Grafenwoehr, Germany where he is responsible for the “Live Virtual Constructive and Gaming simulation program for all U.S. Forces in Europe.”

 

Lasch vouched for Hickman in a second tweet: “Everyone on this thread should know that Jim Hickman’s patriotism and honesty is unparalleled. He is one of my personal heroes.” He added: “This is not about Trump! This is about an officer [LTC Vindman] that is disloyal to the United States of America.”

 

American Greatness was able to reach Lasch through his LinkedIn account.He verified that the recently established Twitter account in his name vouching for Hickman was indeed his.

 

“Yes this is my LinkedIn account. It is really me. And the Twitter account is mine as well,” Lasch said.

 

In his statement, Hickman explained why Lasch remembered the incident with Vindman: “I did question his patriotism to our nation, and the lack of respect given to Americans in general. I was indeed furious and that’s most likely why my boss Tom Lasch remembers it so clearly.”

 

“I corrected him solely as a superior officer witnessing a junior officer doing something wrong,” Hickman explained. “We as officers are not supposed to talk about our political leanings, especially in front of subordinates, and never are we to talk down about Americans and our culture.”

 

Hickman further explained to American Greatness that Vindman spoke favorably of the United Nations, and appeared contemptuous of Americans who didn’t appreciate the U.N.  Vindman, Hickman said, believed that “the U.N. should have broader powers” and “talked about how the American people weren’t worldly.”

 

He noted that Vindman actually used the word “globalism” during the conversation and “talked about American culture versus European culture,” unfavorably, essentially suggesting that “the U.S. has no culture.”

 

Hickman also told American Greatness that Vindman talked about “Obama changing America” and that it reminded him of Obama’s infamous“Fundamentally transforming America” speech of October 2008.

 

The former officer stressed that he was not seeking recognition or praise but instead, “to just get the facts and truth out that are relevant to the current situation.”

 

Hickman said in his statement that he began his Army career in military intelligence and was commissioned in 1996 as a field artillery officer.

 

He retired from the service in 2017 and now resides near Tampa, Florida.

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