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18 hours ago, MakoMike said:

Just to pick that nit, it's Canada geese, not "Canadian."

ya i know but dont really care theyre a pain in the butt know matter what we call them...lol..tastey tho

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14 hours ago, FizzyFish said:

posting pictures of cans labeled seal meat proves nothing.  Just stirs the pot. 

 

You're saying it does not make it so.

 

If you have data/sources post them up.  

 

 

true but you gotta admit she looks pretty darn good in those pants..lol

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I agree that there probably isn’t an international demand for seal meat but you keep pushing “even the indigenous won’t touch the meat”. Your one article posted is the only thing I can find that says anything like that and it’s just a baseless statement from what I can find. Most of the articles I am finding are stating exactly the opposite and that it is one of the staple foods of Inuit in the arctic circle. The rest of the world can feed those natives if they don’t like the seal hunt as far as I’m concerned. World pressure to stop a hunt that the natives rely on is laughable. Again I don’t foresee anything ever happening in our local waters besides seal tours.

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11 mins ago, CcCstriper89 said:

I agree that there probably isn’t an international demand for seal meat but you keep pushing “even the indigenous won’t touch the meat”. Your one article posted is the only thing I can find that says anything like that and it’s just a baseless statement from what I can find. Most of the articles I am finding are stating exactly the opposite and that it is one of the staple foods of Inuit in the arctic circle. The rest of the world can feed those natives if they don’t like the seal hunt as far as I’m concerned. World pressure to stop a hunt that the natives rely on is laughable. Again I don’t foresee anything ever happening in our local waters besides seal tours.

I gave up trying to post links. It sounds like I'm giving opinion but it's based on reading a bunch of stuff over the course of several years. The fact that the meat tastes terrible and even indigenous don't like has come up numerous times. Obviously they have a tradition of using the meat. That doesn't mean they buy cans of it when they can get anything else. 

 

Such a divisive issue, there is so much bias, all sides have to be studied. 

Obviously the animal rights community will be hard biased against any harvest. However there are several groups that post in depth facts that are true, factual. 

Yes, the facts support the bias, but they are still true. You can't discount the truth just because the group posting it is biased. You have to gather the data wherever you find it and think for yourself. 

 

The Canadian government is pushing very hard to justify and legitimize their seal harvest which recieves withering criticism from world press. They paint a rosy picture of the market in the press but they also publish the harvest numbers. Those numbers are not biased. They tell the truth. They can't get rid of seal products. Furs are rotting in storage. China won't buy the meat. The worlds' markets are closed to their products. 

 

I won't bother wasting time with links. Dig deeper than the two deep biases (animal rights vs Canadian government). Look at grey seal harvest in the small market that exists. It will be obvious there is no room to expand it.

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5 hours ago, willcodfish said:

true but you gotta admit she looks pretty darn good in those pants..lol

 

Yes she does, might even be better without them.   :D

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Just shoot them. No enforcement out there. Just go shoot as many as you can every time out. Then after we fix that we can address the poachers stealing from us

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The feds are kinda touchy about that. When they find a body washed up on the beach a big investigation usually follows.

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2 hours ago, MakoMike said:

The feds are kinda touchy about that. When they find a body washed up on the bach a big investigation usually follows.

Cement shoes get enough clustered together and we will have biodegradable "reefs" and "structure" in the ditch.

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11 hours ago, MakoMike said:

The feds are kinda touchy about that. When they find a body washed up on the beach a big investigation usually follows.

Dead seals wash up every day.  A few more will never be noticed by the dysfunctional government.  

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23 hours ago, Kones1 said:

Just shoot them. No enforcement out there. Just go shoot as many as you can every time out. Then after we fix that we can address the poachers stealing from us

Now that makes sense.

 

Illegally kill some animals with federal protection.....

 

....then go after poachers. 

 

Makes sense to me.

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11 hours ago, Kones1 said:

What’s to investigate anyways ? Another stinking dead seal ? Really ? Shoot them and see what happens 

What would be your goal in poaching seals?

 

Are you hoping to "control" their population?

 

Do you believe you are saving striped bass?

 

Do you just want to chase them from your own favorite beach?

 

If we accept the number of 50K seals, how many do you think you should poach in order to make a difference?

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11 hours ago, Kones1 said:

Dead seals wash up every day.  A few more will never be noticed by the dysfunctional government.  

Ah....Those of us who making a living on the water could do without the dead stench smell lol

 

Seals could be properly utilized but it takes a strong political will to do so. Something that is sadly lacking in today's world.

 

Animal/pet food, Fertilizer, clothing the list goes on....

 

There is the mother nature option.....Sooner or later an event will happen to control the seal numbers.......NOT white sharks or killer whales but usually disease. The problem with that option is it can be a very in your face event.

600 pound animals dying left and right can be pretty ugly. 

 

I don't want to see the seals go away but I would like to see them managed in a manner that balances their effects on the natural world......

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21 mins ago, robc22 said:

Ah....Those of us who making a living on the water could do without the dead stench smell lol

 

Seals could be properly utilized but it takes a strong political will to do so. Something that is sadly lacking in today's world.

 

Animal/pet food, Fertilizer, clothing the list goes on....

 

There is the mother nature option.....Sooner or later an event will happen to control the seal numbers.......NOT white sharks or killer whales but usually disease. The problem with that option is it can be a very in your face event.

600 pound animals dying left and right can be pretty ugly. 

 

I don't want to see the seals go away but I would like to see them managed in a manner that balances their effects on the natural world......

It's more than political will, it's the demand that is the limiting factor. 

If there was money in fur, if there was enough demand to get greed back on board, political will would follow.

The fur trade is your only hope of making use of seals on any kind of industrial level. I don't see any scenario that would bring back fur.

 

The other uses, like seal oil, even seal penises, have long sense been replaced by modern products. 

Yes, viagra ruined the penis market.

 

Disease is one metric science uses to determine "overpopulation". Currently all scientists seem to agree, contrary to conventional wisdom, seals are not currently overpopulated. The future will determine if the epidemic of 2018 (mostly harbor seals) is any kind of real long term threat or just a blip.

 

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15 hours ago, Kones1 said:

Dead seals wash up every day.  A few more will never be noticed by the dysfunctional government.  

I don't know about that, in RI the DEM examines them determine the cause of death, and if it's a gunshot, a big investigation is launched. I've read about similar things happening in MA.

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