JimG Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 I think joel osteen or others do pay personal income tax and property tax in their churches. I'm not 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipwreck Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 44 mins ago, JaseB said: You totally have to listen to that podcast after actually reading all of this thread. These people are dyed in the wool brainwashed. Or just stupid. But being a Christian, I don't want to be mean. If you don't want to take it up here pm me with your thoughts Do I have to download his podcast? Or is there a site I can listen to it on. This is a question I struggle with. Like anything else I think there are degrees. I see a small Presbyterian congregation in a small church on the hill with folks streaming in for Sunday services. And it makes total sense. Then I see the **** tards Osteen, Sharpton, Robertson, Dollar, Swaggart, Wack Jobs in Utah on a commune and I see them fleecing the flock and it makes me not only want to tax it, but fine the **** out of them. Its a tough subject. For me at least. "He's a good stick" - Mr. Miyagi" ~ "Yep!" - Captain Dingo "How are you doing that" - Jimmy the Mate ~ "Shipwreck is one of those guys!" - Capt. Freddy Gamboa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat33 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 I'm for letting the churches keep their tax exempt status. I can't believe people get outraged by other people giving "their" money to churches. They got a Lear jet and I don't. I need to protect the people who are freely giving them money. Give your money to who ever you want to, I don't care. The biggest fish in the river gets that way by never being caught. Edward Bloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipwreck Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 20 mins ago, Riverboat33 said: I'm for letting the churches keep their tax exempt status. I can't believe people get outraged by other people giving "their" money to churches. They got a Lear jet and I don't. I need to protect the people who are freely giving them money. Give your money to who ever you want to, I don't care. I dont care who they fleece. I just think they are blatantly criminal and should be stopped on principle and rule of law. People should not be allowed to steal, no matter who its from. "He's a good stick" - Mr. Miyagi" ~ "Yep!" - Captain Dingo "How are you doing that" - Jimmy the Mate ~ "Shipwreck is one of those guys!" - Capt. Freddy Gamboa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat33 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 mins ago, Shipwreck said: I dont care who they fleece. I just think they are blatantly criminal and should be stopped on principle and rule of law. People should not be allowed to steal, no matter who its from. Who are they "stealing" from ? I am also against stealing. The biggest fish in the river gets that way by never being caught. Edward Bloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipwreck Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 Rubes The same people coming to NYC and getting pictures taken in Times Square with Spider Man for $50 "He's a good stick" - Mr. Miyagi" ~ "Yep!" - Captain Dingo "How are you doing that" - Jimmy the Mate ~ "Shipwreck is one of those guys!" - Capt. Freddy Gamboa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipwreck Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 Which is illegal "He's a good stick" - Mr. Miyagi" ~ "Yep!" - Captain Dingo "How are you doing that" - Jimmy the Mate ~ "Shipwreck is one of those guys!" - Capt. Freddy Gamboa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congruent Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 17 hours ago, fish'nmagician said: I would support removing the tax exempt status of a church based on ONE criteria. X% of all money received in donations should be used for charity...... IMHO if a televangelist is fleecing the poor and feeble minded to buy mansions, yachts and jets, they should not do so on a tax free basis. thoughts? FWIW I think tying it to a particular issue like BETO did is stupid and dangerous. Do good works.... tax free live a lavish lifestyle TAXED +1, The best post you have ever made! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat33 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 17 mins ago, Shipwreck said: Rubes The same people coming to NYC and getting pictures taken in Times Square with Spider Man for $50 16 mins ago, Shipwreck said: Which is illegal Still not seeing the "stealing". We need more and bigger government to keep the rubes from giving their money to the wrong people. Sounds like an assault on personal freedom. The biggest fish in the river gets that way by never being caught. Edward Bloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congruent Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, JimG said: I think joel osteen or others do pay personal income tax and property tax in their churches. I'm not 100% It's not the salaries, it's the "Perks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat33 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 32 mins ago, congruent said: It's not the salaries, it's the "Perks." Yep, can't have them acting like congressmen/women. The biggest fish in the river gets that way by never being caught. Edward Bloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoMike Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 You guys are missing a key point, under the tax code gifts received are NOT income. Therefore, since the vast majority of a church's revenue are from freely given gifts, there is no "income" to tax. ====Mako Mike====Makomania SportfishingPt. Judith, RI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy z Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 Not all churches and tax exempt organizations have perverts and bad people. Unfortunately some of these do. It's wrong and those bad folks have to be dealt with. But the good churches and organizations that do good work for the peole should not have to suffer because of the bad. Folks are talking about abortion. There are two sides to the abortion story.What does that have to do with taxing tax exempt organizations? Answer; Nada! AKN-2 USS Sagittarius BE ENCOURAGING, NOT DISCOURAGING <*((())))>< <*((())))>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave588 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 I think every organization should be graded on a pyramid type scale where percentages define the tax basis. All of accumulated wealth versus actual charity, year to year. It would seperate valid not-for-profit enterprises from the extremely profitable. Theres a difference in broadcasting a message and appealing for donations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 It's definitely not part of the Constitution. It is part of the Internal Revenue Code. See section 501(c)(3). Here's a brief summary from the IRS web site. "an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates." Frank, may have point that if donations/gifts made to one of the TV evangelical organizations were used by the leader to by extravagant houses or a jet plane or two that may be a reason to lose its tax exempt status. I grew up Catholic and I can remember in the run-up to the 1960 election, the nuns urging us to tell our parents to vote for JFK and at Sunday mass the priest standing in the pulpit telling the congregation that as Catholics it was their duty to vote for JFK. Much less PC back then. Today, for example, if one of the TV evangelists endorsed a candidate on air and urged his congregation to vote for a specific candidate they could be stripped of their tax exempt status if someone was upset with it and filed a suit or complaint base on it. There Frank, I gave you something to work with. But it doesn't only apply to the candidate or the issue you don't like. It works both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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