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How do you know when the House Dems know they are losing the argument?

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How do you know when the House Dems know they are losing the argument? When they are considering negating one of they key strategies because the feedback they are getting from constituents and polling is running against their efforts.

 

This is not rocket science and their concern is real. The polls, if they believe them, should be telling them stay the course. The polls are showing increasing numbers supposedly support the impeachment inquiry as it is right now. The polls tell them there is increasing support for not only the inquiry, but full impeachment and removal of Trump from office. 

 

So if the wind is at the House Dems' backs and they are winning, why are they considering a change of direction that will allow the House GOP to get into the game for reals? 

 

Unless, their private polling and constituent feedback, particularly in swing states, does not comport with the breathless headlines about the polls. Hmmmm.

 

The article is from Politico and I like the soon placed on it, that this decision is one of strength, not concern and weakness. 

Dems weigh knee-capping a Republican impeachment criticism

Some Democrats say they should hold a vote to formalize the impeachment inquiry.

In a letter to Pelosi earlier this week, White House counsel Pat Cipollone said the House was undertaking a “constitutionally invalid” and “illegitimate” impeachment process that absolves lawmakers of “taking political accountability.” The strategy is focused more on the process Democrats have undertaken, and less on defending Trump from allegations that he abused his power by pressuring Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden and his son, which is the chief focus of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. 

 

Though a small but growing chorus of Democrats has started urging a vote simply to undercut this GOP talking point, others say that nothing will stop Trump and his supporters from claiming Democrats’ efforts are unfair and inconsistent with past impeachment procedures. They say the party shouldn’t take the White House’s bait, arguing that the president’s defenders will simply find other reasons to not comply with the inquiry. 

 

“The debate on our side about whether we should or shouldn’t is kind of academic because no matter what we do, the president won’t cooperate,” Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), a member of the Intelligence and Oversight committees, said in an interview. 

 

Though the debate is largely happening in private, it flared up publicly this week when one of Pelosi’s California allies urged her to call a formal vote, arguing that Cipollone’s letter effectively shut the door on cooperating with House Democrats. 

 

“They want a fight? OK, let’s arm ourselves completely and totally with the full power of Congress,” Rep. John Garamendi (D-Calif.) said Wednesday on CNN. “I do think that it’s time for us to put a vote on the floor — a resolution for the inquiry structured in such a way that it can move forward with full power of the Congress behind it.” 

 

But embracing those arguments would represent a reversal for House leaders. 

 

Democrats have long argued that they don’t need a vote to launch formal impeachment proceedings, even if that had been the practice in prior presidential impeachment processes. In fact, House lawyers backed by Pelosi have made that argument in a succession of court cases seeking evidence to support their impeachment inquiry, and proponents of that position worry a formal vote would undercut their legal claims. 

 

Similarly, Democrats are worried that a near-term floor vote would drive away a handful of Republicans who are wavering over whether to support impeachment proceedings. A party-line vote would hand the White House another talking point, they argue: that impeachment is a purely partisan effort by Democrats. 

 

But Pelosi may have more than simply GOP talking points on her mind. 

 

The House is fighting in court to access former special counsel Robert Mueller’s closely guarded evidence, and House lawyers say they need it to support their ongoing impeachment inquiry. The Justice Department rejected this argument, contending that the House’s claim to be in the midst of an impeachment process is invalid because there has been no House vote to authorize it.

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Fake polls designed to throw them off,  watch this hand while that one punches you in the face.  Dems are gonna lose one way or the other or there will be massive riots in the streets over cow farts.

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Trumps winning in 2020, will also give the dimm communist party another 4 years to figure out how to destroy America and push the communist agenda. The whole dimm party has to be reconstructed , and the liberal communist pig :manpig:dimms banished from the party.:howdy:

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This would be so much easier if there was an actual crime. Look how hard they are having to work just to decide if they should actually vote to begin. Seems that now they have kind of settled on their grand charge, abuse of power, whatever that means. Sure would have been helpful had Biden not looked so dirty in all of this. I saw reports that Biden himself was on the take to the tune of a million bucks, which might not have appeared on his tax forms. 

 

I think they refuse to vote because they do not wish to open everything up for examination. Nancy wants to control what is looked into, while carefully sidestepping those unfortunate revelations regarding her son. How can they run a proper impeachment if the only evidence of wrong doing is all on their side ?

 

Risky business to ask for a trial in the Senate. What if they actually have one ?

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With 20,000 inside, and 25,000 folks outside plus hundreds of thousands watching his rally online last night, it appears Trump's popularity is at least holding steady, if not increasing in the Blue state of Minnesota.

That is worrisome to the Democrats, and their actions to unseat him will only become more desperate. 

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16 mins ago, dena said:

With 20,000 inside, and 25,000 folks outside plus hundreds of thousands watching his rally online last night, it appears Trump's popularity is at least holding steady, if not increasing in the Blue state of Minnesota.

That is worrisome to the Democrats, and their actions to unseat him will only become more desperate. 

Yes, usually once the media begins to destroy a Republican, they get it done. This time round attempting to destroy makes the Republican stronger. Last night he lectured the fake news media and the crowd cheered. Seems everyone there understands why the news is the way it is. Fake News. Even the commies realize that they are being lied to, but they cannot turn away as it soothes the wounds upon their buttocks

 

......And then the Nazis attacked the attendees and stole their rally stuff from them. The leftists are even proud of seeing the violence being carried out against citizens for harboring political opinions other than what the media offers. There is no way the media will ever be fair in how elections are treated.

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I tried to watch Maddow last night.  Good lord how do you people stomach that ****?

The verbal gymnastics she went through to prove that 'orange man bad' was so long and convoluted it actually left her breathless.

 

Like I used to tell Brian, the more words, the more simile and metaphor, the greater the chance you are full of ****.

 

You guys got nothing. 

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1 hour ago, FishinMortician said:

This would be so much easier if there was an actual crime. Look how hard they are having to work just to decide if they should actually vote to begin. Seems that now they have kind of settled on their grand charge, abuse of power, whatever that means. Sure would have been helpful had Biden not looked so dirty in all of this. I saw reports that Biden himself was on the take to the tune of a million bucks, which might not have appeared on his tax forms. 

 

I think they refuse to vote because they do not wish to open everything up for examination. Nancy wants to control what is looked into, while carefully sidestepping those unfortunate revelations regarding her son. How can they run a proper impeachment if the only evidence of wrong doing is all on their side ?

 

Risky business to ask for a trial in the Senate. What if they actually have one ?

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FAKE NEWS......it was 900K, not a million! - :laugh:

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50 mins ago, Shipwreck said:

I tried to watch Maddow last night.  Good lord how do you people stomach that ****?

The verbal gymnastics she went through to prove that 'orange man bad' was so long and convoluted it actually left her breathless.

 

Like I used to tell Brian, the more words, the more simile and metaphor, the greater the chance you are full of ****.

 

You guys got nothing. 

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Less is always more, took me into my late 20's to realize this.

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