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Why was Trump releasing the transcript of his call with Ukraine’s

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1 hour ago, codfish said:

The transcript is the cornerstone to the Dems playbook to impeach Trump, the question is why did they release it??

damage control gone wrong?

 

Tump is an idiot.  Sooner he is gone the better.  

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Hmmmm, maybe for the reasons I have articulated before. The transcript is yet another cultural and ideological Rorschach Test and you see things that millions of other Americans do not. 

 

Let's just limit this to political jujitsu - determine in which direction your enemy is pushing you and take that momentum away and use it against them and to your advantage. It was obvious from moment one that the Dems were trying to pin "coverup" charges on the Administration.

 

How do you halt coverup charges? By being transparent and providing all the info your foes are demanding. Deprive them of the coverup charge and gain momentum in the headlines. Look at Frank, his complaints about Barr trying to "block" disclosure of something falls on deaf ears because nothing was held back. He might be technically right by hours or a day or two, but reality has moved on. 

 

And, if you are convinced you’ve done no wrong, then you release the info they seek as soon as practical but at the point of maximum advantage to you. Being cooperative on releasing the transcript took away the ability of the WB and the House Dems fro: controlling the narrative.

 

The contents of the transcript are a Rorschach Test, the beholder hears what they want to hear. Your question in the OP makes the point. To my ear there is no quid pro quo asked, hinted at or demanded. To your ears, based in the credulity voiced in the title and OP, you hear the exact opposite, a quid duo pro so damning that you question the logic of exposing it. 

 

Go beyond this, it has been clear that the House Dems were going to make all sorts of demands for Admin docs, etc. There is an ongoing subpoena that Admin is fighting where House Dems are trying to unseal the doings of Mueller's grand jury which looked into the Trump Russia collusion fakery. While no indictments nor charges arose from those findings, the Dems are convinced there is something there they can use against Trump. It is my guess it is the obstruction angle since that is one of the two or three impeachable offenses they are going to try to spin into articles of impeachment. 

 

So given the predictable nature of the Dems' overreach, the Administration had to decide where it WAS going to refuse to provide docs. The separation of powers and existence of co-equal Branches was the line they could draw. Given Barr's views on this, it was a predictable defense strategy. Also, it was predictable that the House Dems would want to avoid going to court using their unofficial inquiry as a guise. 

 

Somtot hat end, they could not be seen by the public as obstructing from the start, particularly if they were confident the content of the transcript was a push at worst, another Rorschach Test. 

 

Which gets us finally to a bigger point I have made about Trump over the past 2.5+ years - would a man who knows he’s guilty be so willing to let stuff hang out that might feed his enemies? Guilty people, like Nixon, do all they can to hide evidence and obstruct investigation. The Left has charged Trump with doing that, and yet over the past two weeks he’s been almost the opposite. The transcript was released, the WB complaint was released, the DNI was allowed to testify, the IC IG was allowed to testify, etc. Pompeo's letter back to them was based on the nature of the House demands. Too quick, personnel told they could not inform State of demands, personnel would not have time to prepare nor secure counsel, no State legal defense allowed, etc. Pompeo did not say "no", just refused the Dems' terms and timetable. For example, the former US ambassador to Ukraine, the woman called back by Trump, will testify tomorrow. She is still at State and is not being blocked. No coverup. 

 

And, if you read the letter from  Cippilone carefully and dispassionately, once you get through the bluster, you will see that the Admin says they WILL cooperate, just as soon as the House Dems vote to make the inquiry official and start a proper process.

 

Is that the tact of a guilty man? 

 

But this thread shows an ideological bias because most of the above appears to have never occurred to you. 

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Thanks for sharing, but that said I think he would have been better off doing the usual Trump response "I never made that phone call"  Calls 3 times a day to Mitch have him running scared.

 

"But the whistleblower complaint that spurred the investigation described an “official word-for-word transcript” of the call — words closely matching the ones used by Trump on Wednesday — creating uncertainty about what was included in the document the White House released last week and what may have been left out."

 

There is more to come:)

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13 mins ago, codfish said:

Thanks for sharing, but that said I think he would have been better off doing the usual Trump response "I never made that phone call"  Calls 3 times a day to Mitch have him running scared.

 

"But the whistleblower complaint that spurred the investigation described an “official word-for-word transcript” of the call — words closely matching the ones used by Trump on Wednesday — creating uncertainty about what was included in the document the White House released last week and what may have been left out."

 

There is more to come:)

When this first started getting reported, I heard a report that part of the call was Trump and Z bashing Merkel.  Wonder if that was cut or fake news ? 

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And now Schiff is hiding the Volker testimony, because it blows CNN's and the dems narrative out of the water. 

Between the administration's transparency and Volker, the fake impeachment is shown ti be another hoax.

 

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27 mins ago, codfish said:

Thanks for sharing, but that said I think he would have been better off doing the usual Trump response "I never made that phone call"  Calls 3 times a day to Mitch have him running scared.

 

"But the whistleblower complaint that spurred the investigation described an “official word-for-word transcript” of the call — words closely matching the ones used by Trump on Wednesday — creating uncertainty about what was included in the document the White House released last week and what may have been left out."

 

There is more to come:)

 So this is the same process used by the prior administration, same process used by Trump up until now, but somehow it’s become tainted and part of a cover-up with the single phone call, is that what you’re saying?

 

If the official record is the transcript, Word for Word or otherwise, how can another first person participant show up and dispute the transcript if there’s no corroboration of that counter claim?

 

The transcript as it is is a compilation of multiple note takers from the state department, and possibly even the intelligence community, not the work of a single person on Trump’s staff. It also goes through a review process amongst all the contributors to confirm that it’s an accurate depiction of what was actually said during the call.   If there was mention of the military aid, particularly in association with the request for a bite and investigation, mentioned during the call, how could that not be included as part of the transcript created by multiple persons? 

 

For what you suggest to be true,  means that every single person involved, including the career personnel from state and possibly the intelligence community, is in on the cover-up.

 

Is all the above what you’re suggesting? 

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40 mins ago, Buckscorider said:

Releasing it was brilliant.

 

CNN, Pelosi and Schiff wanted to tell the rubes there's a cover up.

 

Thats been taken away.

 Exactly, the whistleblower, his “sources“, his lawyers, the co-conspirators on shift staff, and possibly even Pelosi thought they were  finally playing 3-D chess. And yet, they lost their queen. 

 

 

 

 

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41 mins ago, Buckscorider said:

Releasing it was brilliant.

 

CNN, Pelosi and Schiff wanted to tell the rubes there's a cover up.

 

Thats been taken away.

By the way, yes, you are correct, there is more to come.

 

For example, if Pelosi actually allows a formal impeachment vote, then the Republicans will have the opportunity to subpoena those staffers who created the transcript.  Their testimony can then be held up against the possible testimony from whistleblower number two, who supposedly has first-hand knowledge. Either this corroboration there, or not.

 

Feeling that in the house, did the same thing will happen in the Senate, and their Lindsey Graham will be driving the conversation.

 

So yes, there is more to come, and I welcome the opportunity to consider it. 

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29 mins ago, Buckscorider said:

And now Schiff is hiding the Volker testimony, because it blows CNN's and the dems narrative out of the water. 

Between the administration's transparency and Volker, the fake impeachment is shown ti be another hoax.

 

 Rest assured that Lindsey Graham will invite Volker to come speak in open testimony in the Senate. One of the reasons why the house Democrats are rushing on this is because they know that the Senate is going to expose what it is at the house Dems are trying to hide. 

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"The standard White House practice for Presidential-level phone calls with world leaders is for the White House Situation Room to produce a word-for-word electronic transcript that memorializes the call."

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